Blog powered by TypePad

« Willy shrinkage down to global warming | Main | Ethiopians fought in Korea? »

Monday, 24 September 2012

TrackBack

TrackBack URL for this entry:
http://www.typepad.com/services/trackback/6a00d8341c5caf53ef017c321a358d970b

Listed below are links to weblogs that reference What does it take?:

Comments

Feed You can follow this conversation by subscribing to the comment feed for this post.

Our leaders are callow youths compared to your three examples and that's the problem. Roger is right (as usual), character is key, but modern leaders don't do anything to acquire it. Just look at their smooth, silly faces, unlined by experience.

In general, you're right, of course, AK, but remember Pitt was, what, 24 when he became PM?

Thank you Mr Duff. I slag off our politicos pretty readily, but asked myself, could I do any better? No, but at least I know that. Which led to the question - what does it take to be a real leader? Then I thought about Napoleon putting the great mathematician Laplace in place as Minister of the Interior - at which he was a dismal failure finding complication after complication. Then I thought about some of the business and (not many) military leaders I have met, they seemed to wear their position pretty lightly and to 'fit' their job very well - they plainly knew their trade. Then I picked up a book 'Other Men's Flowers' by some chap called A P Wavell and a jolly good book it was too and plainly Wavell was a clever chap - and a Field-Marshal and an Earl to boot. But I didn't see Wavell being much good with a computer or a microscope - not his bag.

Which brings me full circle to not knowing for sure what a real leader is and whether politicians are leaders at all (I have met a few un-famous ones and was not impressed). Which returns to Tallyrand, Bismarck and Grey, all powerful types brought up on a diet of power to which I would respectfully add Wavell. Which raises the thought that PPE and a spell in the meeja hardly bears comparison does it!

Roger, as Geoffrey Rush, playing Phillip Henslowe in Shakespeare in Love", keeps repeating in a different context, "It's a mystery". Some men (and some women) have it and others do not, and by 'it' I do not mean just ability, character, high intelligence and so forth but also that critical element - luck! Bonaparte demanded that his generals be lucky, and poor old Wavell was, alas, very unlucky. It's much the same with US presidential elections. No-one really *knows* if Romney, highly successful in other fields would be as competent in high-stakes international politics. The job makes, or breaks, the man. And please feel free to use my Christian name, or any of the disrespectful nicknames the vagabonds who hang around here use so regularly.

Wot abaht Metternich? Count Cavour? Those dreadful pre-T churchmen who litter French politics? Cardinal Wolsey? Thomas Cromwell? The Cecils? Strafford? Mrs Marlborough?

Well you tell us, DM, 'wot abaht 'em? Is there a single characteristic that made them successful (mostly) political operators? And I'm not sure I would include Mrs. Marlborough who in the end, I think, drove everyone nuts and damaged her husband's standing.

Well you are right that luck and right-place-right-time come into it. I am no military historian but my read was that Wavell was a good man who took on some nearly impossible tasks. The sort of good man you send into sticky spots and use him to gauge the next steps. This he seems to have done without complaining - a man of 'character'. Mind you, with his gongs complaint would have been out of order.

Others may have a more knowledgable view.

Metternich had the measure of Talleyrand pretty well. When the old fox dies, he remarked "I wonder what he meant by that?"

With regard to Bismarck, it was a great pity that his successors were not able to rein in the headstrong expansionists as he did. "The Balkans" he remarked "are not worth the healthy bones of a Pomeranian grenadier" and, more presciently "If a European war starts, it will be over some damned silly nonsense in the Balkans". He would never have sanctioned the "blank cheque" which his successors gave to the bone-headed, supra-national cabinet of the Austro-Hungarian Empire - a body more like the EU Commission than anything else.

Of course, he was no democrat and had a disdain for what we would call "the political process". If you like laws or sausages" he said "Don't go to see them being made".

Yes, Roger, I must look into Wavell's life a little more closely.

Edward, that deadly phrase about 'what did he mean by that?' seems to be fought over by the shades of both Talleyrand and Metternich and a quick investigation provides no definitive answer. It is a compliment, I suppose, to both men that either could have said it.

I'm not sure anyone could have reigned in the German/Prussian expansionists because the very system of government that Bismarck created worked against such a process by anyone other than a ruthless, devious lying liar like him!

Verify your Comment

Previewing your Comment

This is only a preview. Your comment has not yet been posted.

Working...
Your comment could not be posted. Error type:
Your comment has been posted. Post another comment

The letters and numbers you entered did not match the image. Please try again.

As a final step before posting your comment, enter the letters and numbers you see in the image below. This prevents automated programs from posting comments.

Having trouble reading this image? View an alternate.

Working...

Post a comment