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Wednesday, 07 June 2017

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"Under Obama, the USA backed Iran and the Shias but now Trump has shifted to the Saudi side."

Only half right. Obama tried to engage diplomatically with all sides and, in most cases, minimize the US footprint in the MENA region. His approach gave almost every player in the US, its allies, and MENA something to criticize, fairly or not.

Now Trump, or whatever advisors, whims or magic 8 ball that decides, seems determined to take the side of the Sunnis in an expanding religious war. That would almost certainly be a disaster.

Bub. Put your headphones on. Here:

https://audioboom.com/posts/5992629-war-on-qatar-gregory-copley-defense-foreign-affairs

As I've said many a time and oft, the ME war between Sunni / Arab and Shia / Iran is a godsend for the West.

That Specie article was one that informed my view.

- A self-service extermination camp for Western jihadists. Let them go, ffs! Let their hatred of each other that is greater than their hatred of us - or even of Israel, as beautifully highlighted by the radio conversation intercept - suck the poison of home grown terrorism out of the West.

- The parallel with our wars of religion. Let the war in the ME rake up and down its length and breadth until they get the "1 in 3's a gonner, isn't this stupid" wake up call, as we did in the wars of religion.

QED.

Boring, snoring.

Now, regarding Brexit ...

SoD

Just skim read the Balfour Declaration link.

It adds another corroboration to the argument for letting the terrorists go to the ME: -

Imagine if Israel didn't exist and we hadn't encouraged its existence. We'd still have the Stern Gang over here bombing London - as they tried to do in the 50's - to add to the IRA and Hairies over the last 60 years!

The draw of the ME is like a magnet to all the nutters of the religions of the "holy" land, reaching out and plucking them from their grateful hosts and sending them to oblivion in a dustbowl dump that no-one except the nutters gives a shit about.

Perhaps it's Gods way of clearing up the mess he's made? " I spawned this problem in the 'holy land', oops! Best I clear it up there too. Sorry and all that. I must think of a better way to get you guys to see what it's all about. Maybe try Liberty? Oh, fuck, the bloody French fucked that one. Why do I bother?"

SoD

Hey SOD your pretty good on the ME front and I agree with you, let the dessert games begin. I watched the Iran Iraq conflict with no dog in the fight. It's a bit like men's volleyball.

The trouble with the Iran/Iraq war was that it ended.

Bull's eye, Whiters.

Now's our chance to get it going again - with all the local volleyball players in it this time (and any of our own who fancy it)!

SoD

SoD, seems like Tehran got some of their own medicine yesterday. A couple more and that ME war may go off.

I am with Sod on this. Islam is in the stage of development that Christianity was at in the Middle ages. The horrors of that were bad but are nothing compared to what Islam can achieve as it is not a turn the other cheek type philosophy but has a convert or enslave or kill mindset.

JK, the analysis you linked is essentially what I wrote. Obama was playing all ends against the middle, which was US policy before GW Bush tried to play favorites. SoD is right.

Actually Bob, what I been saying (for years) is essentially;

Arm all sides (so long as all sides remain in the region) then, should one side appear to be developing an advantage, stop arming the beneficiaries of the advantage for some period while, at the same time up the deliveries to the lesser strategically/tactically inclined until, some stasis is regained then lastly, where an equilibrium may be restored, arm 'em all again and up to the hilt.

Preferably limiting only the lethality of the provided arms to oh, .38 caliber revolvers with maybe some bows and arrows, swords perhaps, and maybe the odd airship (dirigible) for any parties whose ability to do recon is hindered by a lack of camels.

Rinse & repeat.

(But most importantly - US Forces if they feel they must - go invade Grenada again. The one in the Caribbean not the one across the Atlantic.)

"SoD, seems like Tehran got some of their own medicine yesterday. A couple more and that ME war may go off."

Yep, it's like the cemetery scene finale from "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP9cfQx2OZY

By George and all the Saints, they don't make 'em like that anymore, do they?!

"I am with Sod on this. Islam is in the stage of development that Christianity was at in the Middle ages. The horrors of that were bad but are nothing compared to what Islam can achieve as it is not a turn the other cheek type philosophy but has a convert or enslave or kill mindset."

Yep. They may have to go 1 out of 2's a gonner before the Eureka "This is really stupid isn't it?" moment, whereas we only went 1 out of 3.

Oh dear, what a pity, never mind.

I'm heading off for the poll, right now, feelin' Clint-ish, with my trigger finger twitching on the pencil ... which will it be: The Good, the Bad, or the Ugly?

Ah-ee-ah-ee-ah, bow-bow-bow.

SoD

Eh Bob? Forgive my oversight providing that I'd mentioned Grenada "years ago" and then, not providing any evidence?

Well, as I've just finished watching former FBI Director Comey testifying I thought to rectify my oversight:

http://duffandnonsense.typepad.com/duff_nonsense/2012/07/as-the-sun-sets-the-bugle-sounds-we-bid-farewell-to-.html

(Its in the comments Bob.)

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