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Friday, 07 July 2017

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David, as a long time Spanish resident and deeply immersed in the whys whats and wherefores of the Catalan question, let me say with complete confidence that there isn't a snowball in hell's chance of the referendum taking place.

Why am I not surprised, Timbo?

Trump didn't have a chance either.
Not saying it is wise of the terriers and cats to want to wrench away from their perceived oppressors, but not much surprises me these days. I would have said nothing surprises me, however I am still waiting....with hope.
But what on earth makes them think shackling to the beast is better?
Jeremiah 5:21
'Now hear this, O foolish and senseless people, Who have eyes but do not see; Who have ears but do not hear.

Well done Miss Red. You would have been welcome on my bridge as a "bunting tosser". The answer of course would be to hoist Job 28:12

Perfect, AussieD

Say, do you suppose those Catalan seperatists know that if they do achieve their goal then they will have to apply for permission to join the EU? And until that particular issue is resolved as well as a border agreed to they will be somewhat isolated and absolutely dependent on the goodwill of all those other EU nations with pesky minorities perhaps even nclned to follow suit. I'm betting not.

The reason I ask is that, back in the day, I used to engage with Quebec separatists. French being my mother tongue this was both easy and fun to do. They seemed pretty darn sure that after separation they would be sure to keep all their agricultural subsidies, industrial subsidies, pensions for federal employees in this new nation and many other goodies courtesy of what they call, TROC, or the rest of Canada. This, naturally was to include the vast investments of Hydro Quebec which are mostly located in Newfoundland. And also rights to travel and work anywhere in Canada but pay taxes only in Quebec. Amazing when you think about, that people could be so obsessed with their goal that they simply could not see that the answer on pretty much all of these issues was going to be no.

Peter, all good points. In the case of Cataluña this referendum violates the Constitution which states that Spain is a single indivisible country. In order to become independent all Spanish voters would have to have their say. OTOH there seem to be an awful lot of residents in the rest of the country who would be glad to see the back of these whiners.
To their point that they pay more than they receive; conveniently forgotten is the fact that Franco directed large investments over many years to that territory in detriment to other parts.
The crux of the matter is the above mentioned Constitution ceded way too much autonomy to the regions and the separatists have used this to weaken the whole.

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