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Tuesday, 15 August 2017

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We should have partitioned bloody canada.

Cuffers...well, we should have annexed the damn place years ago!

Careful what you wish for there whitewall. If you had the Republicans wouldn't stand a chance of controlling congress or the presidency. And for cuffleyburgers: it was partitioned, Upper Canada and and Lower Canada and some extra bits.

On to the res, partition by the British was done as it was always done in British occupied countries, to maximize discord among the remnants.

Have we figured it out yet? Have we established that creating two new adjacent countries based on religious differences before getting around to establishing where the borders of these two countries might be was likely to produce what? Ah for the good old days when they just used a ruler to draw a straight boundary through other people's countries regardless of who was there, like the Middle East or Africa.

Well If we'd consulted the natives, doubtless we'd still be holding the ring waiting for a decision. And doubtless the natives would have been killing each other and blaming us.
Either the people's of India were grown up and capable of self Government, in which case nobody would have died.
Or they weren't, and the casualty lists are true.
There is of course the possibility that they couldn't have grown up without suffering pain, like anyone else, which implies that the best we could have done is what we did- leave them to first kill each other and second grow up.

Good one Pat! If the natives in any of these places had been consulted, including my own, they'd have told you to fuck off in the first place. The old British Anthem is well remembered around the world:

This land is our land.
Your land is our land
Their land is our land
And you can't have land.....

A couple days ago I'm reading one of those colonial era apologists spout off about all the wonderful roads and bridges and railroads the British built in India. Every inch of which was built to advance British commercial interests and aid in extracting Indian resources and exploiting Indian labour and land. So next time I find a burglar breaking into my house and he tries to tell me he has come from Habitat For Humanity to do me a good turn I'll tell him I can smell the British Colonial Office stink all over him and tell him where he can stick his good deed.

"So next time I find a burglar breaking into my house ..."

Happens sometimes I gather?

Perhaps Peter G the burglar's intention isn't to burgle but rather in search of your enlightening? Surely your neighbors know to point him (or her) "where the valuables are"?

Well, this brings back memories of Montreal, which is a beautiful city. One night long ago I sat in a bar there listening to a large group of Royal Canadian Navy men, probably anchored nearby on the St Lawrence, beer glasses raised high between gulps, singing:

Rule Britannia, marmalade and jam,
Five Chinese crackers up your ass go
BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM!

Rule Britannia, marmalade and jam,
Four Chinese crackers up your ass go
BAM, BAM, BAM, BAM!

... and so on down to one Chinese firecracker, the noises of which they further simulated by banging on the table.

Some colonials simply have no respect.

Good luck with finding a good history of India/Pakistan without the need of a gantry crane to lift it.

Pompous you really should leave the approved kindergarten texts on the shelf for the kiddie winkles.

I do not profess to know much about India however an Indian Navy officer we were entertaining spent some time explaining that for centuries before the Brits arrived Hindus spent considerable effort killing Mussies and Sikhs, Mussies spent their time killing Hindus and Sikhs and the Sikhs reciprocated in kind and that despite all the efforts of many well intentioned administrators the caste system still exists today and still gives grief.

Before the Brits there was no India as it was just a hotch potch of competing and warring despots [his words not mine].

Bob if you had spent some time in a lower deck mess on any of HM's ships whether they be Australian, Brit, Canadian or Kiwi you would realise that the song you heard was mild. Pussers are not known for tact, diplomacy or political correctness and long may it stay so.

"Well If we'd consulted the natives, doubtless we'd still be holding the ring waiting for a decision. And doubtless the natives would have been killing each other and blaming us.
Either the people's of India were grown up and capable of self Government, in which case nobody would have died.
Or they weren't, and the casualty lists are true.
There is of course the possibility that they couldn't have grown up without suffering pain, like anyone else, which implies that the best we could have done is what we did- leave them to first kill each other and second grow up."

Exactly.

Which is why we, the West "we", should step away from the ME, hold their coats, and go "oooh, aaaah" as they knock 6 bells out of each other and not us.

SoD

Re SoD
Well now we have fracking, and hence less need for their oil, your proposal has at last become practical. Let us hope it soon gets practiced.

AussieD, I've had a few friends who served in the Navy and do have some idea what it's like. I also worked my way through college in factories that might have been even more colorful. Some creative people could construct entire paragraphs like: "Fck it. The fckin' fcker's fcked up."

In general Canadians are polite and friendly and they were in a public place which, by the way, was an English-style pub. It's easy to understand why French Canadians have a bad attitude towards the British, but it's not confined to them. I would imagine there's still some resentment in Oz too. There's some here even though we love the Beatles and other British invasion music, James Bond and Hitchcock films and countless other bits of culture.

Bob, hatred of the English is pretty widespead and doubtless well deserved in some cases, and is just a sign high important we ised to be.

Plenty of people hate the Americans mostly for similarly valid or not reasons.

Hatred of the French is to avoid feeling sorry for them!

Withoit wishing to seem sanctimonious I try not to hate anybody because of who their father was.

Right, Cuffleyburgers. Hating every member of a country or ethnicity can't be sane. It should be clear that the English of the post WWII era aren't the English of the empire. Americans might join you in viewing themselves as somewhat less exceptional in relatively short order.

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