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Thursday, 22 January 2009

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DD

In copying my comments to a more prominent position you've, unfortunately, shifted around some of the sentences which makes my deathless prose look distinctly mortal.

DD

I've had a bit of trouble posting this comment to typepad - and maybe this is also the cause of your troubles - but, in transposing my comments you've shifted around some of the sentences which makes my deathless prose distinctly mortal.

I'm also amazed at how the press has largely ignored Mrs Obama's background. The circumstances surrounding her massive pay rise the moment her husband became senator and directed federal funds to her employer appears to be a case of straightforward corruption.

"but for Daley's "massaging" of the presidential votes in Illinois, Nixon would have become President in 1960"

Nixon might have won the popular vote, but Kennedy had enough electoral college votes even without Illinois to ensure that he would win the presidency.

DD

Sorry about the triple comments - problems somewhere between my computer and typepad.

Ross

I stand corrected but I would observe that Nixon alleged fraud in both Texas and Illinois (and New Jersey while we're at it). According to Wikipedia, "these two states [TX and IL] are important because if Nixon had carried both, he would have won the election in the electoral college." If Daley hadn't done his bit in Illinois, the election in the electoral college would have been closer. Even so, in the absence of fraud (more or less certain in Illinois - more than possible in Texas), Nixon would have won. FWIW http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1960>Wikipedia (which is not necessarily always the most authoritative source of information) gives a pretty comprehensive run-down of the controversies surrounding the 1960 vote.

'Bongers', sorry for the cock-up but I like to think it is all part of our old world charm and eccentricity, here at Duff & Nonsense! I think, I hope, that everything is now corrected. If I may, I will return to the meat of the issue tomorrow - just off to a talk at our local Hist. Soc., the Wars of the Roses - such fun!

DD

Give me "old world charm and eccentricity" every time: cock-ups and all.


I have lived in the Chicago area most of my life, I would like to thank Umbongo for the understated description of Chicago politics.

Obama was working “community organization” in Chicago before he went to Law School. After he graduated he could have gone any where, he chose to come back to Chicago to organize communities for much less money than he could have started elsewhere. Basically he organized communities so the continued to vote for the Machine. While Obama and his cheerleaders say he was helping the “poor and oppressed” fight the system, the machine is one of the major sources of poverty and oppression in those neighborhoods. Whatever Obama is, he is intelligent and perceptive enough to realize what he was doing. As reward for good service he was elected four times as a state senator without primary of general election opposition from an area that is predominantly machine controlled.

His whole career is a repeat of similar events.

PS: His Imperial Majesty, Richard the First, Mayor of Chicago did not steal the election for the benefit of Kennedy. There was a strong Republican candidate for the county States Attorney (prosecutor) and Daley did not want himself and his cronies to go to jail. Kennedy was the accidental beneficiary of this effort.

Hank

It wasn't just the "beneficiaries" of the Machine that voted for Daley. Mrs Umbongo's late god-mother, who was very old money (she lived in a massive apartment on N Astor) and a Republican to her fingertips, also voted for Daley. When I asked her why she replied to the effect that he kept the "poor and oppressed" in their place and, as far as she was concerned, ran the public services reasonably efficiently.

When I asked her why she replied to the effect that he kept the "poor and oppressed" in their place and, as far as she was concerned, ran the public services reasonably efficiently.

You late God Mother was right on the money (poor word choice.) Good public services and keeping the "others" in their neighborhoods and their leaders paid off was Daleys MO. Worked prety well until the riots.

With modifications it is still working for his son.

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