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Wednesday, 14 April 2010


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Not quite what I was hoping for... however you may have inadvertently nosed me into reconsidering the intellectual prowess of a certain youngish (and un-named) Arkie lass. I had no idea, never considered it possible she had read anything of this sort. Certainly didn't mull the possibilities she was familiar with what may have been some of the "poetry" of Emilia Lanier, nor with the idioms of the day.

One fine evening (as best I recollect) (and the circumstances of which led her reply to my worries:

"My dear little Willy,
tis not the size of the fish you wish
rather the motion of the ocean."

Well, I'm off to the library.

The girl's a poet and she don't know it!

I think -- correct me if I'm wrong -- that Rowse also believed that Emilia Lanier was an ancestor of Tennesse (Thomas Lanier) Williams.

Wasn't that Tennessee Ernie Ford??!

'Dom', can't say I have read that anywhere although I can see that 'Tennessee' Williams's paternal grandfather was named 'Thomas Lanier Williams' for reasons not apparent:

'JK', do be serious. although I enjoyed the song - I had completely forgotten what a great singer he was and yet now he seems forgotten.

I just looked on-line. I can find a mention of TW being descended from Nicholas Lanier who was born in 1690. And NL seems to be somewhere in the same family tree as Emilia Lanier. But I don't find that Rowse mentioned this. I can swear I heard Rowse say something about it on a talk show, but I might be wrong.

Well anything is possible, Dom, when it comes to ancestral links. There is a chap around these days called Peter Bassano, Emilia's family name, who claims to be a descendent:

All these damned theories, and all the time the man himself remains mostly hidden, no doubt with a quiet smile on his lips!

Perhaps the best illustration of this sort of thing is Stoppard's Arcadia. Have you ever seen it?

No, I haven't, but I was always interested in seeing it.

Truly a classic. It shows the same room in an English country house in which we, the audience, see what goes on back in the early 1800s, and then we see it today as the moderns, particularly a modern member of the "Eng. Lit. lot", try and work out what they think happened. It demonstrates, in a different context, exactly the problems of efforts to draw firm conclusions concerning WS. It is Stoppard at his very best and it's worth reading as a script, if you are up for it - by which I mean that many people love performances but simply do not like reading scripts.

Well David, I was being serious, except for maybe you English chap(ped)s. F'instance ya'll dont make the survey:

I don't know that it demonstrates "exactly" the efforts to draw firm conclusions nor do I know whether an "ASBO" is an extraditable offense." And I'm not just pea-picken'.

Didn't Will classify all this as "country matters"?

Indeed so, 'DM', he was a very, very naughty boy!

'JK', I worry about you sometimes with all the odd places on the internet that you find.

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