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Wednesday, 30 November 2011


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Didn't we share comments on this very subject oh, a year or more ago? Seems memory advises me we may've shared some bit of email correspondence.

And, being the kindly Yank I suppose I should set your keel back firmly so your decks don't go awash - the phrase is, "I like the cut of his jib." Good thing you Navyless Brits have a former US Navy reader on D&N.

Warships many times had their foresails or jib sails cut thinly so that they could maintain point and not be blown off course. Upon sighting thin foresails on a distant ship a captain might not like the cut of his jib and would then have an opportunity to escape.

Oh. And that book you've been reading, "Something Something Allies" - well might want to add another to the pile, December 1941: 31 Days that Changed America and Saved the World only because it states this: "In the newly revealed 20-page memo from FDR's declassified FBI file, the Office of Naval Intelligence on December 4 warned, "In anticipation of open conflict with this country, Japan is vigorously utilizing every available agency to secure military, naval and commercial information, paying particular attention to the West Coast, the Panama Canal and the Territory of Hawaii."

I have always been convinced that FDR and his cabinet were well aware of the impending raid on Hawaii and let it happen as it was about the only way the American people would support the war.

If only they had been that clever, Andra, but alas, I think not. By which I mean that I think Roosevelt was aware that he was backing Japan into a corner from which they would emerge fighting but no-one reckoned on Pearl Harbour as the first target.

I've yet to see an explanation of how FDR persuaded Hitler to declare war on the USA, but no doubt there are some around.

I gather he, Hitler, didn't need much, or indeed any, persuasion. He was gagging for it! Of course, he thought that after Pearl Harbour the Americans would be forced to cut back aid to Britain and now that his U-boats could attack any and all without restriction the German navy would soon control the Atlantic adn begin the strangulation of Britain. He reckoned without the wisdom - I stress the word because whilst Roosevelt & Co deserve a kicking on some things this was grand strategy at its best - of the American high command in deciding on a 'Germany first' policy. Ian Kershaw's "Fateful Choices" is very informative on the whole process.

XX I like his 'jib' (what the hell is a 'jib' anyway?)XX

Foresail of a sailing ship or Yacht.

XX I've yet to see an explanation of how FDR persuaded Hitler to declare war on the USA, but no doubt there are some around.

Posted by: dearieme | Thursday, 01 December 2011 at 10:59 XX

The fact they masqueraded as neutral whilst supplying Britain with all kinds of stratiegic matarials, and were sinking, or enabling the sinking, of our U-Boots, amongst other things, give you any clues?

Undoubtedly all that played a part, FT, but according to Kershaw's bio, at that time Hitler was fixated even more than usual on his 'international Jewry problem' and nowhere was that chimera more exampled in his addled brain than in America. So he didn't need much prompting, I suspect.

It's not often that sarcasm is overlooked on this blog, but I think you Homers have nodded.

No, DM, I picked it up, how could I miss it, but just at the moment it is my "specialist subject" and I have Hitler, Roosevelt, Tojo et al coming out of my ears so I am a tad pedagogical about it all!

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