I gather that there are moves afoot in Tory party circles to allow ministers to remove top ranking civil servants in their departments who prove to be recalcitrant, or, as is the case in the Department of non-Education, downright obstructional against government policy. In effect, this would take us into the American system in which a new presidential regime moves in with a completely new set of advisors with power to act and over-ride civil servants. I must say it has its attractions, not the least of which is that there would no longer be any excuses for the politicians to offer up when they fail to do that which they promised. Of course, it means that when Labour have their chance they, too, will be able to ram their mostly rotten policies down our throats, but then again, at least we will know them for what they are. I incline to this view not least because it seems to me, from a considerable distance, that the calibre of our top civil servants has fallen mightily in recent decades. Whilst a Double First from Oxbridge was never a guarantee of intelligence at least it did indicate an ability to absorb and remember huge amounts of information and then regurgitate it in a coherent form. A 2.1 from Huddersfield 'PolyVersity' in flower arranging does not inspire confidence. And it should be remembered that when these grease-monkeys oil their way up to the office next door to the minister their capacity for mischief is enormous.
Be careful what you wish for. I take your points about declining educational standards and recalcitrance, but the other issue is the erosion of the knowledge-base. Civil servants might not be liked because they actually know something about the territory upon which they have built their careers. If they are removed by politicians, then who is going to tell those politicians the facts of life? Cautious experts just about have the edge over ignorant zealots, on the grounds that they are less likely to turn over the whole system.
Posted by: Whyaxye | Thursday, 02 August 2012 at 15:50
In the RAF we used to say that up to Wing Commander you were OK. When you were promoted to Group Captain, they removed your brain. Whitehall is like that; its full of people who know what to do but it's run by people who have had their brains removed. If you shot the top layer you could promote a lot of people who know what to do. And encourage them to do it, in case the firing squad is still around.
Posted by: backofanenvelope | Thursday, 02 August 2012 at 16:47
I take your point, 'W', and I do not suppose for an instant that it would be a panacea but at least we can vote the rascals out every five years but we can't get rid of Sir Humphrey.
Dare I guess your rank, Wing Commander?!
Posted by: David Duff | Thursday, 02 August 2012 at 17:52
You might guess - but you'd be wrong!
Posted by: Backofanenvelope | Thursday, 02 August 2012 at 21:03
Ah well, no doubt it was higher than corporal which is as far I managed to get - in 9 years!
Posted by: David Duff | Thursday, 02 August 2012 at 21:28
One might ask why the calibre of top civil servants has fallen (if it has). Given the changes in Whitehall over the past 30 years I would certainly not want to bother with it (and I'm a dumb-ass)- go elsewhere young man. Would you want to take orders from some snotty-nosed meeja type dragged off the street by what passes for a 'Minister'?
I doubt even Northcote-Trevelyan could sort the current mess. My own preference is to go over to the French Enarch system - Ministers play at corruption and sex and politics all day and leave the real work to professionals.
Posted by: rogerh | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 07:27
Well, Roger, it's not just their general uselessness I am really complaining about but the 'fact', as reported in some of the prints, that they actively promote their own agendas. The DoE is a prize example, I believe.
Posted by: David Duff | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 08:29
I worked in Whitehall (M0D) for seven years. I only met one sec of state - a Tory - and he was a plonker of the first degree. The problem with the Civil Service is an overwhelming sense of lethargy. There is little or no leadership. And whose fault is that? Ministers and their advisors come and go - the leadership that fails is that of the senior civil servants. Yes Minister was entirely accurate in its depictions of Whitehall. Nothing much will change till the ones at the top are held responsible for their actions. If you can't shoot them - sack them with no pensions.
Posted by: backofanenvelope | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 09:19
Well, 'Envelope', with your inside experience please tell us, would this idea of politicians bringing in their hand-picked advisors with executive powers which would over-ride the civil servants, be an improvement? Not, I hasten to add, that this or that policy would be better or worse, but that at least a policy would be rammed through and the final judgment on it left to us every five years.
Posted by: David Duff | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 09:34
Which is why I suggest the Enarch system is better - of course they will promote their own agenda but having been trained rigourously in public administration rather than Pindaric Odes their agenda might be worth something. As for lethargy, again a cohort of professionals should soon eject those seen as over-idle - although to be honest there is a lot to be said for doing nothing governmentally speaking. Finally, the Frogs have something we don't, a liking for throwing cobble stones and overturning government cars when they get upset - their govt is slightly scared of the populace, our lot don't give a s**t.
Posted by: rogerh | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 10:07
The only sort of 'civil service' about which I have some detailed knowledge is the old German General Staff. There is no doubt in my mind that as a collegiate body they were the epitome of military excellence. And yet . . . and yet . . . they were still beaten by the doltish old war horses who ran our army, er, with a little help from our friends, of course.
Posted by: David Duff | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 10:36
I was just a military desk officer in the DIS, but I had plenty of opportunity to observe the Civil Service. I thought they were just a bunch of unspecialised amateurs. You might improve matters by bringing in outsiders. But who are these outsiders? People like Call Me Dave?
Posted by: backofanenvelope | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 12:24
Alas, he hasn't an idea in his entire body which is probably why he will fail to win the next election - assuming he is still leading the party then! But Gove at Education came in with a well-worked out agenda and has had to struggle against the deliberate obstructionism of his civil servants. As I said above, some of the ideas politicians, with the aid of their advisors, might push through will be nigh on catastrophic but at least we, the electors, can provide a judgment. At the moment, no-one can be sure if Gove's ideas are sound because he has only managed to implement part of them.
Posted by: David Duff | Friday, 03 August 2012 at 18:56