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Thursday, 29 August 2013

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It's an ill-chosen policy, to try to present yourself as the new Toni Blair, and then to try to lead us into war by saying "Trust me". The party should kick him out and replace him by ... Gove, maybe? Presumably Boris is hovering too. A pair of very able chaps, those two, but I'd rather see Boris continue his excellent contribution as Mayor of London. Then Birmingham. Then .....

And while we are at it, can we expect that our bases on Cyprus will not be made available to the US or France? I do hope so.

Please, yes, oh, please make the bases unavailable!

Of course, the raids could still come from carriers, with no hazard to the pilots, who are, after all, truly honorable men doing their duty. But, the gesture will register disapproval. I love my country, but I take my oath to uphold the Constitution rather more seriously than O'Boy takes his.

We're going to pay a very high price for that vote.

A clear message has been sent to our enemies, dictators and aggressive democracies alike, "stock up with chemical weapons, and use them if you need to: no-one will stop you".

I shouldn't doubt the Argentinian defence ministry is setting a budget and making enquiries this morning. Let alone the remaining dictators in the Middle East and Africa. And expect the next North Korean tantrum to come with something extra blowing in the wind.

And if one of our far flung territories needs us to help them fend off an invasion, but we need mid-air refuelling or Sidewinder missiles (or their successors), why would uncle Sam give us so much as a shit now we've v-signed the "special relationship"?

Blair's "cry wolf" in Iraq has had the herd-like masses and MP's vote precisely the wrong way in both the Iraq and Syrian wars; they will come to know that within their life times. I can't wait to serve it up to them when the time comes.

SoD

Stand by, readers, for a family fight!

I absolutely disagree with you, Lawrence, and I will take your points in order.

1: The likes of Syria, Iran and North Korea have already stocked up with bio/chems and will, or will not, use them depending on the circs of whatever situation they find themselves in. It is still not a given that the Syrian government did use gas the other day - read thelatest NightWatch report which I will post above.

2: As far as protecting our "far flung dependencies" is concerned the self-inflicted damage has already been done - we have no military capability worth a damn. Frankly, I'm glad because I'm fed up with trying to run the world. If, instead of playing soldiers everywhere we had followed Germany's example and concentrated on building our industry and commerce we would be *truly* strong - as the Germans are without too much in the way of guns and ships!

3: I agree that Blair's (and the establishment's) lies before Iraq II have made the British public exceedingly sceptical concerning overseas jaunts - and quite right, too.

Now get on with your work!
Dad

I'm delighted by last night's vote. Assad and his domestic opponents appear to be equally odious. At the moment there is no possibility of change for the better (for us). The most significant message from the vote is to the Syrian opposition. It is, sort yourselves out: offer us a replacement to Assad that we can be in favour of. Then, we will have reason to weigh in on your side.

Decnine, welcome to D&N - and to all commenters, I'm sorry not to be able to join the 'conversation' in my usual way but I really am pressed for time today.

"1: The likes of Syria, Iran and North Korea have already stocked up with bio/chems and will, or will not, use them depending on the circs of whatever situation they find themselves in. It is still not a given that the Syrian government did use gas the other day - read the latest NightWatch report which I will post above."

Whatever the "circs" once were, that bar has now been lowered. Chemical weapons are now the new conventional weapon. Expect them on the London Underground for this reason, and because Assad will now probably win his war quickly. Which will release all the Islamists and Jihadists from being preoccupied with killing each other in Syria. Now they will resume killing us - with their new conventional weapon.

As for whether or not Assad used the stuff, it's not a "beyond reasonable doubt" requirement, it's a "balance of probabilities" requirement; if you care about the so called "legal" basis for action, we have a legal basis for action. But it's the message of power by us and our allies that matters: "You will not use chemical weapons like conventional weapons" has ceased to be enforced or enforceable.

"2: As far as protecting our "far flung dependencies" is concerned the self-inflicted damage has already been done - we have no military capability worth a damn. Frankly, I'm glad because I'm fed up with trying to run the world. If, instead of playing soldiers everywhere we had followed Germany's example and concentrated on building our industry and commerce we would be *truly* strong - as the Germans are without too much in the way of guns and ships!"

You clearly have changed your mind, which is fine, because when the Falklands kicked off you were up for it because of "the message it sent to other dictators that it didn't pay to use aggression", and revelled in the fact that the British victory also brought democracy to Argentina.

Our military would have been perfectly capable of defending our "far flung dependencies" with the experience and changes that have been learned from Iraq and Afghanistan. Those cruise missiles, drones and "everyone's a para now" doctrine are just what we need to protect our territories. Even your darling Jerries agree: they've dumped the Panzers, gone professional, and gone for long range mobility and flexibility.

But now that the enemy is allowed to use chemicals and we've ditched our biggest, closest ally, I'm not so sure.

As for Germany "concentrating on building its industry and commerce ...", let's see how truly durable and built on firm ground that all is when the Euro goes phut and the Deutschmark comes back at twice the value, doubling the sell price of German exports and halving the price of foreign imports to Germany. Let's hope they've really dumped those Panzers when that grosse Scheisse hits the fan.

"3: I agree that Blair's (and the establishment's) lies before Iraq II have made the British public exceedingly sceptical concerning overseas jaunts - and quite right, too."

Being sceptical because of a previous liar is to fall for the "cry wolf" scenario, which only leads to self-harm, err, being eaten by a wolf, for example. You should look at the current situation as it presents itself and judge it for what it is.

SoD

Oh, and as if to rub salt into our self-inflicted wound: -

"I have, from today onwards, a deepening partnership with Barack Obama." - the President of France.

A new special relationship between our European rival - or enemy, depending which century you're in - and our former greatest ally, America.

You have got what you wished for. Britain has lost all the influence that running the world for a while and winning two world wars gave us. Expect us to be chucked off the UN security council fairly soon - probably at France's behest.

We have relegated ourselves to second class citizens in the world, only just above the third world states in political influence.

Well I say "We", but also, "Not in my name".

SoD

And finally, when our place on the UN security council becomes available, perhaps you'd be pleased to see it go to the Jerries? I'm sure their new professional, flexible, cheap at twice the price army will sit very nicely along side the French navy and American air force.

Yup, back to work now. And some enquiries about what it takes to get a green card these days, perhaps.

SoD

"Beer drinking surrender monkeys"

SoD

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