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"...that has reminded some people, and taught others, about one truly extraordinary event in our history which, for a change, actually reflects well on us." Yes! There are more too!

i think you are rather unkind to this chap. He can't help being a German.

Herr Doktor's government has done a splendid job of supporting the indigence of several Southern European countries, and I can well understand his concern that the British no longer want to help.

I trust, BOE, that you are not implying that I am, er, 'Germanist'!

And what is it about gassing folks that the Jerries seem to have such a penchant for? ...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/30/german-car-makers-have-blood-hands-diesel-scandal/

SoD

The Jerries and their Frog pals have done a good job in gassing the British since Ted Heath started paying the bill. But as the Stones would sing, It is all over Now.

"It's all over now." That's true Jimmy. They've got their empire from the Danube to the Channel now Blighty's done a runner.

Perhaps they might lay off the gas a bit.

But I doubt it.

They've got those "plucky little Czechs, Slovaks, and Poles" to snuff out. Y'know, those guys who were throwing their Spitfires and Hurricanes around the skies over Kent and Sussex to keep you free not so long ago.

Some thank you gift for them, doing a runner in their hour of need. How history repeats itself.

And the axis have got Britain to punish "pour encourager les autres".

We were always "better off together", the rebels as allies against the Franco-German machine, but now it's divide and conquer by the axis force.

The greatest betrayal of the blood and treasure our forefathers gave for our safety, freedom, and prosperity in the history of forefather blood and treasure betrayal.

We could have handled it ourselves, now that Merkel is flat on her tits with her French poodle yapping helplessly by her side, and been the leadership state for the allies. But only the Don can save us now. How history repeats itself.

And what might his hard-nosed "America First" deal with Blighty look like, I wonder? You might have escaped the Zyklon B, but you'll be eating chlorinated chicken soon enough, 'd be my guess (that's enough gas gags ... Ed).

SoD

They've got those "plucky little Czechs, Slovaks, and Poles" to snuff out. Y'know, those guys who were throwing their Spitfires and Hurricanes around the skies over Kent and Sussex to keep you free not so long ago.

Sometimes I fucking despair about you SoD.

A little research by you would have come up with the following figures for "the Few".

UK 2,353 79.4%
Poland 145 4.9%
Canada 112 3.8%
Czeck 88 2.9%
Belgium 30 1%
Australia 32 1.1%
Sth Africa 25 0.8%
France 14 0.5%
Ireland 10
USA 11
Sth Rhodesia 4
Jamaica 1
Barbados 1
Newfoundland 1
Nth Rhodesia 1

Total 2963

If you lump the Commonwealth Countries in with the UK then you get a total of 89.9% of the pilots.

No doubt the Poles, Czechs and Slovaks were plucky but they were not the ones who kept the UK free.

You keep repeating this bullshit but no matter how often you post it it is still wrong.

AussieD - Good response mate.

You fucking despair about SoD? I've been doing that for ages. He appears to love nothing more than doing this country down, again, and again, and again.

Oh yeah, and 17.4 million of us voted the wrong way because we're uneducated, homophobic, islamophobic, xenophobic racists and didn't know what we voted for. Apparently.

I'll own up to being homophobic, Islamophobic and xenophobic. I am also not keen on beings from Alpha Centauri. Which is why I am wary of SoD, as he is from the Planet Zog.

"No. 303 (Polish) Squadron claimed the largest number of aircraft destroyed of the 66 Allied fighter squadrons engaged in the Battle of Britain, even though it joined the fray two months after the battle had begun."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No._303_Polish_Fighter_Squadron#Squadron_statistics

Josef Frantisek (Czech), highest scoring pilot in the Battle of Britain ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josef_Franti%C5%A1ek

Punched above their weight for you. And you did a runner.

SoD

SoD,

The Visegrads are facing a stark choice: join in the great demographic Untergang led by Ms. Merkel (and so ably assisted, for England's moral benefit, by selfless patriots like Tony Blair), or make of their homelands an ark for their own people against the Flood.

Sweden is already submerged, and to my sorrow Britain, where both of my parents grew up, is probably holed below the waterline as well.

I agree with you completely, though, that it would be right for what remains of the British people (and the shreds of the magnificent British heritage they were supposed to have preserved and cherished for their children) to stand in solidarity with those doughty little nations to the East.

Perhaps they might form a new, rival E.U., in which, this time round, the 'E' actually stands for Europeans.

MP,

That is the last hope left.

If the Don plus Brexit Blighty offer an alternative EU to the Visegradders plus anyone else who wants out.

There's a corridor of states in eastern europe between the Baltic and the Med that once had a bloc name, can't remember what is was, but they'd be a great candidate for an EU II.

From the Don's point of view it gets a loyal proxy up front and personal with Putin. And it puts him in control of Putin's energy pipelines into EU I, a fine strategic bargaining position against both sides.

Great export opportunities for hi-tech Abrams main battle tanks along with the javelin missiles and sniper rifles already doing a brisk trade as these countries grow. Maybe a single market with the US? The Don doesn't seem to have such a problem with freedom of movement for all those Nordic and Eastern European white folks; only Blighty might need to loosen up its country-bumpkins on that front if it wants to play a part.

So that'll be Uncle Sam with loyal proxies on every front that matters and no boots on the ground: Korea & Japan vs North Korea, Israel & the Sunni states vs Iran & Putin, and the Baltic-Med Nordic-Ost Bloc & Blighty vs Putin & Western Europe.

He'd be great Prez just for that, let alone his "Is the Don the Ron in disguise" economics into the bargain.

Last roll of the dice for Blighty to grab onto his tailcoat or else disappear into oblivion.

SoD


SoD, I do hope you calm down before your visit this weekend!

SoD,

Given your admitted fondness for mind altering activities, I'd remind you, as a concerned cousin, that your brain is not a toy. Please don't stick anything in your ear to try to play with it.

I'll bet any and all of you an electronic beer from my Paypal account ...

If the Don gets two presidencies, and,
If Blighty does a hard Brexit, then,
By the end of the Don's second presidency, he will have made a genuine, in your face, play for a break away "alt-EU" by offering the Nordics, Ost Bloccers, and Blighty, or some combo of them involving at least two, a yuuuuge trade deal for leaving the EU and joining up with the US that will palpably outrage the Frogs and Krauts and their EU puppet beyond measure.

Five quid (price of a ruddy pint in the Thames Valley) to a max of ten, paid to / from my Paypal account.

All bets off if I or you croak before the due date, or any of the conditions above not met.

SoD

The Intermarium. That was it ...

"In view of the Ukrainian Crisis Stratfor has been discussing an alliance system remembering the Intermarium. Given the re-emergence of Russian power, the idea of the Intermarium — supported by the United States, and focused on Russia — would become inevitable. Statements of Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges, the commander of the U.S. Army in Europe, on pre-positioning essentially announced a new Intermarium, or its small beginning. The area in which the equipment to counter threats from Russia would be pre-positioned stretches from the Baltic states through Poland and then skips to Romania and Bulgaria on the Black Sea. It should signal to the Russians that whatever happens in Ukraine, the next line of countries is the line that triggers the alliance."

On 6 August 2015 Polish President Andrzej Duda, in his inaugural address, announced plans to build a regional alliance of Central European states, modeled on the Intermarium concept.[60][61][62]. The Three Seas Initiative met for its first summit in Dubrovnik in 2016.[63]"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermarium

Also known as the "Three Seas Initiative".

Coming soon, imho.

Who's going to slap my hand for a fiver now then, eh?

SoD

The Intermarium / Three Seas Initiative and The Don ...

http://hungarianspectrum.org/2017/06/29/the-three-seas-initiative-and-donald-trump/

"It is supposed to serve “as a ‘cordon sanitaire’ against Russia and a counterweight to the power of Germany and the European Union.”

Not one punter for my wager!

You bunch of pussy-farts!

SoD

Take a look at the Don's speech at the TSI conference last summer ...

http://time.com/4846780/read-donald-trump-speech-warsaw-poland-transcript/

Arms and energy, his starter for one. All those east coast LNG terminals that Obama built pumpin' gas into tankers and over to the Baltic, Black, and Aegean sea receiving terminals - with crates of Abrams MBT's, Javelins, and sniper rifles on the decks.

Putin's gonna be running on hot air soon.

If Merkel and Macron thought they were going to get a look-in with Leopards and Leclercs, they're more out of gas than the Battle of the Bulge.

Good luck to the Don and the Ost Bloccers, I say. More than a pair going round that lot.

Meanwhile, Blighty's least worst outcome is as a sort of brain-dead, yellow-bellied, "Switzerland on steroids", bobbing off the coasts of America and Europe spouting hot air from time to time. Which rather sums up the Brexit mob and all it factions.

SoD

SoD,

You have apparently not heeded my plea.

SoD,

I won't take your wager because I'd be daft to bet against it. It not only makes good sense, it would make me happy.

I will confess, however, that I have somewhat different feelings about Russia. The U.S. has done everything in its power to gin up a new Cold War -- jamming NATO right up to Russia's front porch, helping topple the Yanukovych regime in Ukraine, and generally blaming Russia for all the world's ills (or at least those of the world's ills that weren't caused by cis-gendered heterosexual patriarchal white males generally). We are also expected to believe, on effectively no evidence whatsoever, that Russia has successfully hijacked the American political system, and now we have madmen like John McCain trying to start World War Three.

I think this is insane. We have squandered, over the past few decades, our opportunity for an enormously productive (and strategically beneficial) rapprochement with a great nation that has no intrinsic reason to be our enemy. So if we are going to have E.U. II, which I think is a splendid idea, I would soft-pedal the let's-screw-Russia angle.

Other than that I'm fully on board.

No evidence whatsoever that Russia has successfully hijacked the American political system? It could depend on what is meant by "hijacked", but the Office of the Director of National Intelligence doesn't agree:

"Russian efforts to influence the 2016 US presidential election represent the most recent expression of Moscow’s longstanding desire to undermine the US-led liberal democratic order, but these activities demonstrated a significant escalation in directness, level of activity, and scope of effort compared to previous operations.

We assess Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered an influence campaign in 2016 aimed at the US presidential election. Russia’s goals were to undermine public faith in the US democratic process, denigrate Secretary Clinton, and harm her electability and potential presidency. We further assess Putin and the Russian Government developed a clear preference for President-elect Trump.

We have high confidence in these judgments.

We also assess Putin and the Russian Government aspired to help President-elect Trump’s election chances when possible by discrediting Secretary Clinton and publicly contrasting her unfavorably to him. All three agencies agree with this judgment. CIA and FBI have high confidence in this judgment; NSA has moderate confidence."

https://www.dni.gov/files/documents/ICA_2017_01.pdf

See also:

https://www.foreign.senate.gov/imo/media/doc/FinalRR.pdf

https://www.cnn.com/2016/12/26/us/2016-presidential-campaign-hacking-fast-facts/

Then Putin made a bad bargain, http://www.thediplomad.com/2018/02/one-more-time-on-russian-collusion.html

It's worth reading the reports. The intelligence services and Senate Committee on Foreign Relations have more informed outlooks than a partisan blogger. The Kremlin's objective was diminishing the credibility and stability of US and other Western institutions, not selling gas and oil or directly countering any of the other items mentioned. Putin and the SVR had more success than they expected.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/01/russia-probe-lobbying-podesta-mercury-380579

There's "stuff" Bob, you're failing to connect.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/protesters-take-control-of-kiev-1393067503

It's not that difficult Bob.

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

It's just Bob that, "shit happens" and then we're presented other facts.

JK,

Please explain how the stories at your links alter the fact the Kremlin interfered in our elections.

Well I guess Bob, we'll have to go with the FBI's reliance on the Steele Dossier ... and I suppose since the Bureau went with a Yahoo News account to buttress the aforementioned it's only fair I turn to a Vanity Fair piece to explain how the Steele Dossier made it into the hands of the FBI.

Excerpting:

“On a bright autumn weekend in late November in Nova Scotia, about 300 deep thinkers—a collection of academics, government officials, corporate executives, and journalists from 70 countries—settled in for a couple of ruminative days at the annual Halifax International Security Forum. … It was at some point in this busy weekend that Senator John McCain and David J. Kramer, a former State Department official whose bailiwick was Russia and who now toils at Arizona State University’s Washington-based McCain Institute for International Leadership, found themselves huddling with Sir Andrew Wood, a former British ambassador to Russia. … Had Sir Andrew arrived in Halifax on his own covert mission? Was it just an accident that his conversation with Senator McCain happened to meander its way to the findings in Steele’s memos?”

“[A]ll that can be firmly established is that McCain and Kramer listened with a growing attentiveness to Sir Andrew’s summary of what was purportedly in these reports—and the two men came to realize they had to see them with their own eyes. Kramer, the good soldier, volunteered to retrieve them. … [A]bout a week later, using a ticket purchased with miles from his own account, Kramer flew out of Washington and landed early the next morning at Heathrow. [After]Kramer engaged in an exchange of word code Steele whisked him off in a Land Rover to the security of his house in Surrey. … Steele passed him his report. Was this the identical 35-page memo making the rounds among reporters? Or, as some intelligence analysts believe, a longer document. … Neither McCain nor Kramer would comment.”

“On December 9, McCain sat in the office of F.B.I. director James Comey and, with no other aides present, handed him the typed pages that could bring about the downfall of a president. Afterward, the senator would issue a statement that amounted to little more than a hapless shrug, and a disingenuous one to boot: he had been “unable to make a judgment about their accuracy” and so he’d simply passed them on.”

It's sometimes said, The rest is History!

As a sometime commentor here on D&N put it on his blog, "Wheels within wheels" ... I can hardly be expected to improve on that now can I Bob?

Besides, the Sunday Shows are soon to begin.

JK,

The FBI absolutely did not rely on the Steele dossier. The investigation began based on information from an Aussie diplomat that George Papadopoulos told the Russians had dirt on the Clinton campaign before it had been revealed to anyone else.

The FISA warrant that launched all the right wing conspiracy theories was a continuation of an investigation begun in 2013 on Carter Page, who Trump named as a foreign policy advisor:

http://time.com/5132126/carter-page-russia-2013-letter/

Page supposedly bragged to Trump that he could connect him with Russian oligarchs.

Egads Bob!

2013 you say?!!!

Was Trump even a candidate then?

In other news - I noticed a comment over on Dip's site to wit:

"Something just occurred to me and I'd enjoy anybody's thoughts.

There's been of course all the shouting about, "The Russians interfered in our elections!" but then, and the *authorities* all seem to agree that, "not a single vote can be proven to have been swayed by the Russians" so

Would it not be more precise to say, possibly that, "The Russians may have interfered in the campaigns"?

If that interfering in the campaigns is possibly true and, it is also true that no votes were changed then doesn't it follow that, speaking precisely, all this crap we're being inundated with is Much ado about nothing?"

I think Bob, whoever that commentor is, she's onto something.

Eh, Bob?

You've never mentioned it so I have to ask, by any chance you a Bill Murray movie buff? The reason I ask is the memo came out on

Groundhog Day!

You've been handed a gimme here Bob. What say we never pass this way again?

(I'm pretty sure we can find other stuff to argue about, I mean you being an idiot an' all that shouldn't be too very difficult.)

JK,

I agree it would probably be impossible to measure how much effect the Russian psyops campaign has had, but it's surely not zero. I liked Murray in Groundhog Day and Andie MacDowell at least as much.


I won't promise not to mention the Russia investigation again because it sure ain't gonna go away anytime soon. Also, not having Rooskies poking around in the wires of American democracy is kind of important to us idiots.

I'll end it after this Bob but, if the Rooskies tallied a coup my guess is that coup was manifested as a vote for "none of the above" or whichever party that Jill Stein lady was running as a candidate for.

Possibly Ralph Nader got writ in some. I dunno.

JK,

You're probably right that third party candidates have had more effect on elections than Russians. However, a vote for a third party candidate by an American citizen is a legitimate statement about our country. A secretive and misleading propaganda statement by the FSB or other foreign operator is not.

Look for who (what) doesn't get mentioned Bob,

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/jill-stein-democratic-spoiler-or-scapegoat/

Kinda refreshing if you ask me. Which you'll not 'cause it'd be a waste of pixels.

(But on the other hand ... anymore peechurs?)

JK,

Democrats are in denial. The main cause of Clinton's loss was Clinton, with Comey's announcements of email investigations by the FBI probably coming in second. That's why all the right wing complaining about the FBI is so amusing. Trump's campaign was under investigation starting, as far as we know, in October of 2016, but that was never publicly announced.

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