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Friday, 09 November 2018

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What the Elites want is all that matters. Normal people will be called upon to 'know their place'. Elites will do as they please as long as they can get away with it.

Unless May goes I will do what I have never done before, and vote Labour at the next election.
Our Tory MP has a majority of 31.

Mwah ha ha.

SoD

Not a fan of democratic process SoD?

Getting close to "tumbril time".

Or did May,the govt. and the Civil Service just know a teensy bit more about how damaging Brexit could be ,than the flag waving ,heads down ,bugger the foreigners parade of clowns that spearheaded this foolishness that has left us with even less idea of how much our pound will be worth tomorrow.
Not important beside that warm feeling of being independent though is it ? Wait and see how the 'majority ' respond if prices rise and their tenuous hold on stability begins to feel shaky.
Those outstanding economic experts Boris and Nigel will ,luckily,no doubt be available for consultation.

I am a fan of the democratic process.

I'm not a fan of mob rule by plebiscite.

There is no example in history of the democratic process being defined as a one off "Now you've voted for us, the democratic process ends" thing. Ask the Nazi party of the 1930's, "Now you've voted for us, the democratic process ends". Not very democratic. At all.

If "mob rule by plebiscite" is to be a democratic process, it needs to respect due process.

So, either the referendum was a Nazi party of the 1930's, "Now you've voted for us us, the democratic process ends" thing and therefore undemocratic of which I disapprove.

Or, it respects the due process of Blighty's democratic system, which is: If parliament wishes to run another referendum, represent the 52/48 split in a compromise deal, ignore the vote completely, it can and will.

Referenda are parliament's little bitch. Not the other way round.

SoD

As for "tumbril time".

BoJo and JoJo are the "tumbril brothers" of today's Brexit Blighty.

So long as Remainers and Leavers keep it safe in parliament it will resolve out without bloodshed.

The moment pols on either side of the divide start handing in their notice from due process and go extra-parliament, the tumbril wheels jolt into action.

Those two foetus-brained turnips are the problem, not the solution.

If May gets her compromise deal through it will be a triumph of democracy, and those two dangerous men will be sent deep into the pages of the Spinal Tap "where are they now" folder, marked "pair of see you next Tuesday's".

SoD

Hyam, with all due respect, you may be right but equally you may be wrong. You and Mrs. May and 'Oily' Robbins and the rest of the bureaucracy might *think* you all know what the future holds because you all have bigger brains than the rest of us but personally I would not bet the deeds of the house on it!

SoD, it is true that I did not run a blog back in the days of the first referendum but even so, I do not recall you frothing at the mouth over the result of that one! Is it a case of referenda 'GOOD' when they go your way and 'BAD' when they go against you?

I accepted parliament's due process then (aged 10), and I accept whatever it will be now.

Even if we get hard Brexit, protectionist, nationalist, Corbynite government I will accept it - albeit I'll moan like you've never seen or heard moan.

Can that be said about some of the Brexit fraternity if Blighty rejoins the EU through parliamentary due process?

SoD

I neither had then nor now any idea of what the future holds. Neither did those who inspired this country to jump off the cliff . I believe that the state of the economy and the standards of living that people need are more important than an independence that very likely will be illusory in real terms.
I guarantee that 90% of the brexit voters have no idea what different exit strategies there are or could be, and I further believe they will only care when it impacts upon them.
There has been division with more to come and it will cost us a lot of money to implement this, for what? Nobody knows but I think that those who actually run the country and those who make the money have a better idea than most.

When the charlatans have finished diluting the will of the people to their own ends I hope they suffer levels of civil disobedience by the betrayed to make their heads spin.

That's a proper tumbril-roller, Jannie!

SoD

Except that such levels of civil disobedience will impact upon us as well..

Bearing in mind that both Labour and Conservative politicians campaigned on a promise to leave the EU, had previously stood for office on a promise to hold a referendum and carry out the decision therefrom, and that May laid out what she intended to do in that regard what is the point of seeking reform of anything by the Parliamentary system?
If our wonderful wise leaders don't honour their promises, the next time somebody believes them mistaken on anything that somebody has no reason to mount a political campaign. And the cause could be anything. It could be the expulsion of Eastern Europeans. Or Muslims. Or maybe Momentum upset with too many Jews and not enough nationalisation. Most of course will simply shrug, but it won't take many to cause as much chaos as the IRA did, probably more since everyone has been explicitly denied a path via. the ballot and there are far more Brits to recruit from than there were Northern Irish.
Unless you think Northern Ireland during the height of the troubles is something to aspire to, you'd better pray that May's deal gets voted down- something I'd bet on happening since Labour, SNP, and the Liberals will vote against if only to embarrass May, the DUP will vote against on principle, so even without Tory opposition (and I expect some of that) the thing can't pass.

If as a government, with malice aforethought, you set about secretly to defy and subvert the will of the people of the UK from whom you, the government, asked for a decision, then do not be surprised at the re-action!

Is Runnymede still useful for settling disputes of government malfeasance?

If I may make one point. Britain in 1938 was woefully unprepared for war, similarly our principal ally France, as subsequent events proved. The purchase of time that was Munich, and similarly the phony war were necessary to enable preparations to be made. That he was a less than inspiring war leader was reason enough for his removal but he was no traitor. His predecessor who left the country defenceless is another matter.

I don't know, Whiters, but I'll driving past Runnymede with a gaggle of inky-blinky darlinkies later on today on my way to a massive steak and chips nosh at Miller Carter in Bagshot, so I'll let you know.

It does have a misty "pistols at dawn" sort of feel to it in the morning. King John and his kn-n-n-nigits must have been very damp and grumpy when thrashing out the deal, especially after having travelled back from getting their arses kicked by the froggies at the battle of Bouvines.

A bit like today, really.

SoD

SoD,
Sounds like a fine evening you have planned! The frogs of today sound like the want to raise an EU Army?

The rest of the EU might also have a say in the matter:

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-ecj/eu-court-sets-nov-27-hearing-on-brexit-reversal-case-idUSKCN1NC1NA

@ Bob. If course the EU will have a say in the matter. Whatever the court decides.
In both international and national law we leave the EU on March 29th. To reverse either would require the agreement of the UK parliament as well as every parliament in Europe. Given the state of play I'd bet heavily on our leaving the EU without a deal.
@ Whitewall. Countries that are reluctant to fund defence with US aid are suddenly to fund defence without it? Or even against it? Sounds a lot more like puffery than a plan!

Pat, I think you are right. The notion of a EU defense issued from that master of Galic Puffery, Macron.

"Thanks Yanks" ...

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-ww1-century-putin-trump/putin-and-trump-shake-hands-ahead-of-armistice-commemoration-tv-idUSKCN1NG0DD

Vlad thanks the Don for kicking into the long grass the sanctions required by law on Russia for using chemical weapons in Blighty ...

https://www.wfmz.com/news/cnn-national/russia-fails-to-meet-chemical-weapons-deadline/848531310

"It is unacceptable that the administration lacks a plan -- or even a timeline -- for action on the second round of mandatory sanctions required by U.S. law," Royce said in a statement."

Is it even worth Blighty paying its 2% NATO defence commitment when Uncle Sam won't lift even a legal finger in defence of a NATO partner attacked successively by nuclear (Litvenenko) and then chemical (Skripal) weapons?

Discuss.

SoD

Above should've been in the Sunday Rumble, butter fingers.

SoD

https://bayourenaissanceman.blogspot.com/2018/11/seizing-property-before-it-can-escape.html

Not, butter fingers.

Teflon Theresa has pulled a blinder, just as I predicted ...

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-latest-final-say-theresa-may-cabinet-draft-agreement-deal-european-union-a8634381.html

By hanging on to the last moment, she has wiped Canada++ and Norway++ off the Brexit map, leaving only her plan, no deal, or Remain.

If parliament refuses her plan, she can put it to the vote.

She's left the Brexiteers with no deal as their only option, and Remain with Remain as their only option, if either side decided to scupper her deal. What Brexiteer is going to want to risk Blighty voting Remain?! And what Remainer is going to risk no deal?!

She's outmanoeuvred all her enemies. A double-Cannae. Dynamite in leopard-skin shoes.

By George and all the Saints, Blighty's always sent a saviour in times of need.

Someone up there's looking after us.

SoD

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