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Sunday, 11 November 2018


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Message from the Don to US service folks, past, present, and future:-

"You're not worth your carbon under the soil if it means I get rained on"


All's well that ends well, the Don was able to brave the rain, what a fucking hero, to shake Vlad's thankful hand for kicking meaningful Russian sanctions into the long grass ...

"It is unacceptable that the administration lacks a plan -- or even a timeline -- for action on the second round of mandatory sanctions required by U.S. law," Royce said in a statement."

Is it even worth Blighty paying its 2% NATO defence commitment when Uncle Sam won't lift even a legal finger in defence of a NATO partner attacked successively by nuclear (Litvinenko) and then chemical (Skripal) weapons?


Language, SoD, or you will be put on the 'naughty step'!

And is it not time that Britain, France, and Germany, all equally diminished at home by crises, step up to the plate collectively to defend Europe with a combined armed forces?

Viva the Toms, Grognards, and Heer.

Never again. Your sacrifice was not in vain. From this day on we stand back to back as one, facing outwards in defence of the peoples of Europe.

So no-one will fuck with us again. Including us.


Ooops, posts crossed over, 2x 50p in the swear box.


My late father-in-law served in the US Army during WW1. His company was made up of young men from his home region of upper South Carolina. Just farm boys who never really understood why the war broke out, why America was involved. To show how much times have changes, the general feeling in his small community revolved around the idea that America was entering on the side of Great Britain and that was good enough.

"stand back to back as one, facing outwards in defence "

So we're surrounded!

According to a Euro Translator, Macron said...“Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism: Nationalism is treason,” ?
I take it France is struggling with what 'patriotism' means?

I much preferred it when the West was one, and we'd all do anything for each other.

But, as you say, times have changed. Not in my name, I'm pleased to say, but in the name of those who know who they are.

I feel great sorrow for those who gave their lives "because we were on the side of X" where X was any state of the West.

They must feel utterly betrayed seeing the West's top leaders shaking hands with the enemy, desecrating their resting place with their absence due to rain or by hobnobbing with the enemy thereon, and faultering in defence of each other in the face of the most horrific weapons devised by humanity in open use against one of us by our enemy.

At least Britain and Europe might pull together as one defence pact, so we have "two West's", each either side of the pond.

Might make them consider their sacrifice was not totally in vain.


SoD, we in the West need to distinguish 'enemies' from 'threats'. Trump shook hands with Putin, as did others, because it is expected. To refuse would set off shudders across Europe. To do so seems to set off nervous whispering. Damned either way. From here I can't read the mood in Britain about being caught up in some EU Defense pact along side two dozen nations on the Continent who pretty much despise Great Britain. But I doubt the average citizen is very warm to the idea.

The enemy of the West is buried deep within the West and has been for generations if not centuries. Few among the ruling class Elite over there will recognize this threat. Same applies here in North America.

"Patriotism is the exact opposite of nationalism," he said through a translator. "Nationalism is a betrayal of patriotism. By saying our interests first, who cares about the others, we erase what a nation holds dearest, what gives it life, what makes it great and what is essential: its moral values."

"I know there are old demons which are coming back to the surface. They are ready to wreak chaos and death," he said. "History sometimes threatens to take its sinister course once again."

Pretty coherent for a dashed Froggy, I think, Whiters?

Your late Father-in-law got it too, by your account.


I think SoD, and Whitewall can (and surely will if I err) correct me, "entering on the side of Great Britain" implies a family reunion of sorts.

I know my Uncle in that time had it in his head when he served in your Merchant Navy.

This on Twitter from the grandson of Winston Churchill and long distinguished Conservative Party member:

"They died with their face to the foe and that pathetic inadequate @realDonaldTrump couldn’t even defy the weather to pay his respects to The Fallen #hesnotfittorepresenthisgreatcountry — Nicholas Soames (@NSoames) November 10, 2018"

Imagine the embarrassment to any American with even the slightest sense of history.

SoD, through a translator is what gave me pause, cause you never quite know. I see where Macron's speech can ring lofty to some, especially to France which is beholden to others for its economic and national security well being. However, "what makes it- a nation- great and what is essential: its moral values..." as an American that means Liberty, freedom and self determination. There are older demons than what he is alluding to and they have been at work in Western Culture with much success for a lot longer.

Macron might be enough a student of history to know America's self reliance has always had limits. Just for beginners:

The family. The family of shared values and ideas.

Doesn't include Hairies chopping each other up, dissolving folks in acid and flushing them down the crapper, or Rooskies chucking nuclear and chemical weapons around the streets of London and Salisbury.

I really, really want to believe the Don and his son in law are bromancing these guys while shunning family due to a "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" strategy, all part of the charade to lull Vlad and the head Hairies into a false sense of security, ready for an almighty back stabbing in an unguarded moment.

But when the Don does a no-show at an American hero's funeral, and disses the USMC on their own hallowed ground, you don't get more family than those two, so I'm wondering: he must be some fucking actor, or I've suckered real bad.

Sorry Gaffer, 3x 50p in the swear box and a 24 hour ban, it's a fair cop guv.



SoD, if you aren't permanently in the swear box by now, regarding Trump and foreign policy...remember, he is doing it differently than those before him for good reason. The 'no-show' at the funeral-I take it you mean John McCain? Instructions were left by McCain that Trump not be invited. Trump was only too happy to oblige, but I'm sure he approved of the funeral nonetheless...All due apologies to Mark Twain.

IIRC the president called McCain’s friend Lindsey Graham to congratulate him on his eulogy, even though he was expressly not invited to the funeral. This may be what turned Senator Graham into a Trump supporter.

No, Whiters, it was a ceremony to honour French and *American* soldiers who died in one of the last battles at the end of WWI.

AussieD, if you stop by:

The article mentions WW1 and the close of the war and agrees with my take that Woodrow Wilson was among our worst/destructive Presidents.

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