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Sunday, 24 February 2019

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Once you renounce and denounce your country as this person did and choose another society you give up your rights in the former.

Might seem a bit harsh but there is also a broader message to those who want a fling at a society hostile to yours and then when it turns out not so good want to come back.

Western societies are slow to learn that we are in a long battle for survival.

Hear, hear Gaffer.

I vomit in my mouth a little at the thought of that bitch back in the UK bringing up a child.

But I also remember Gordon Brown swearing blind he wouldn't use Jack Straw's anti-terrorist laws for anything other than terrorism - yet when Iceland impounded UK assets in some row or other a few years back, he immediately impounded Iceland's assets using those very anti-terrorism laws.

Brit pols are the greater evil, greater even than a Jihadi Mum.

However, just remind me why you would want Brit pols to have unfettered control over us and why you would want to remove a layer of inspection and governance from them?

SoD

OzD,

Jews left Germany in the 1930's and "renounced and denounced" their country.

You saying they have no right to return?

The Jerry government doesn't agree with you, Jews are welcome back in what the Gaffer calls "The Fourth Reich".

SoD

SoD,
"However, just remind me why you would want Brit pols to have unfettered control over us and why you would want to remove a layer of inspection and governance from them?"

How about British voters finally take hold of the pols and their own government while they still can. It could get noisy and messy. That's just the price of it. Is there no majority of citizens up for it anymore?

SoD,

It's difficult to keep up with your degree of anti-authoritarianism and to tell when you're trolling, but good points all. Let's hope there are enough Europeans like the you of this thread:

https://www.apnews.com/1766c107d0d74a69b5edfbeff41e9a25

SoD,

Sorry, I should have written something like "how anti-authority you are". Given our current leadership, I've had authoritarianism on my mind lately.

"With a friend and co-religionist like that, who needs enemies?!" Only as long as he is useful. There is no better killer of Muslims than other Muslims.

David,

I hope both you and the Mrs. are recovering and the US version of the 'Speccie' hasn't walled y'all off:

https://spectator.us/mom-tested-stds-manaforts-home-life/

Can American politics get any more surreal? My guess would be "yes".

Jews left Germany in the 1930's and "renounced and denounced" their country.

You saying they have no right to return?

Wrong analogy SoD. The Jews leaving Hitler's Germany were leaving a system which systematically deprived them of their citizenship, their property and any protection under the laws imposed. If they stayed they were destined for the Concentration Camps.

Those who returned to Germany after WW2 were returning to a different regime where they were not going to be arrested or murdered purely because of the accident of birth into a particular religion.

You can hardly compare the almost obsequious way the UK treats radical Muslims with the treatment meted out to Jews by the Third Reich. Rotherham and the other child sex crimes and the official inertia in doing anything about it spring to mind.

If you choose to commit cultural suicide so be it.

Shalom

Thank you for your good wishes, Bob, and as to your last question, well, it all reminds me of the Kennedys, the Clintons, etc, etc!

"How about British voters finally take hold of the pols and their own government while they still can. It could get noisy and messy. That's just the price of it. Is there no majority of citizens up for it anymore?"

Spoken like a "democratic centralist"!

Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov would be proud, Comrade!

SoD

UGH!

David, that's cute, but under Sodium Pentothal you'd admit there's a difference.

Bob, I prefer dry martinis - served very cold!

At least democratic centralism has a certain evil logic to it that its cousin radical centrism lacks. The difference is the unbelievably dumb idea that somewhere between a third and half a loaf is better than none, even if it advances your opponents' cause. It also assumes politics can be conducted in a wrote, unemotional way, which misses the whole point of politics. It's closely related to the "third way":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radical_centrism

Thanks Bob for making me vomit in my mouth a little for the second time in a day ...

"For example, British radical-centrist politician Nick Clegg considers himself an heir to political theorist John Stuart Mill".

Liberals like Clegg are merely authoritarians with good intentions.

It's Libertarians that are the opposite of Authoritarians of all types including the well meanings ones, and JSM was a Libertarian.

Why would you put a person like Clegg who has no track record in running so much as a whelkstall in charge of an industry no matter how well intentioned?

JSM specifically said if you must do social, do it at the bottom not the top. In other words, don't tip the tax take into the state system and public sector, at all, ever. Turn the tax take around as buying power at source and at the bottom, the ordinary folks, as tax cuts or subsidies to individuals.

Then you don't need any authoritarians, including the well meaning ones and the supposedly democratically mandated ones.

Democracy is Liberty's little bitch, not the other way round.

SoD

SoD,

As long as there are authoritarian followers there will be authoritarian leaders. That's a feature of human psychology that's been studied extensively. Hannah Arendt was one of the more influential writers on the subject, though we know a lot more now.

"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary." - H. L. Mencken

It usually works on enough people.

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