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Thursday, 07 March 2019


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Nobody seems to be disputing the statement that police numbers have dropped by 20,000 since 2010. If you are importing at least 300,000 extra people each year there are going to be problems. And not just with the police.

"In the last 10 years, since the Somalis & the Congolese came to London,
they taught us a whole new level of violence. It upped the speed and
level of violence for us British-born guys. We had to arm up to protect
ourselves. It created an upward spiral."

More here

and here

There is a crucial distinction between two sorts of Chief Constables. One sort says that "our thoughts and prayers are with the families and friends" of the victims; and the other sort uses the phrase "our hearts go out...".

Much as I hesitate to defend Cpl Pike, it was a real Dick (one Cressida) who suggested that the police might have to call on the Armed Forces for support. Pikey was just saying they would be made available if requested.

"In the last 10 years, since the Somalis & the Congolese came to London"
Can these people not be put back where they came from? There is no chance of them being assimilated into British culture.

Sadly I see they title was not literally. You shouldn't raise our hopes like that.

"... successful retired businessmen who have some experience of running big organisations ..."

Businessmen know how to make money, legally and ethically or not. They're generally not equipped to run any aspect of government. Who died and made them gods?

Well, Bob, civil service bureaucrats would have difficulty running an orgy in a knocking shop!

David, it wasn't civil service bureaucrats who crashed the world economy in 2008. It was bankers, insurance executives and cronies they managed to get inside government.

Who usually plans orgies? If there are professionals, they should get the work.

You mean the civil service bureaucrats employed by central banks had nothing to do with the 2008crash?

They were only peripherally involved, and btw, I left out stock brokerages, hedge funds and other "masters of the universe".

An important difference between American and British Libertarians: American Libertarians intentionally confuse authoritarianism and authority to an extent. They believe society should be led by a "meritocracy" composed of business people. They consider money making the highest human endeavor and get these ideas from Ayn Rand's novels, 'Atlas Shrugged', 'The Fountainhead' and from her writings on 'objectivism'.

Rand's well-to-do family owned a small business that was seized by Bolsheviks during the revolution, which apparently traumatized her for life. She became a drug addict (amphetamine and nicotine), which could explain a lot. Though trying at least a half dozen times, I've never been able to read more than 20 or 30 pages of her books because they're such badly written, tawdry potboilers. You've picked up some looney ideas from the American right, David.

I see, Bob, so the quill-scribblers who are paid enormous amounts of money and granted generous pensions to keep the Nation's finances in order have no responsibility for, well, anything, according to you!

And who the hell mentioned Ayn Rand?

"In the last 10 years, since the Somalis & the Congolese came to London"

There is no rational reason why there should be any of these people living in London, let alone a quarter of a million.

Prime cause of the crash was mortgage lending to those with inadequate means. So a minor downturn caused lots of mortgage defaults, hence lots of housing added to the market, hence falling house prices, hence more defaults etc.
That the mortgages had been sold on meant that the buyers usually lost.
And the reason banks were lending to people who couldn't pay the debt was because politicians forced them to.
So civil servants weren't to blame here, but funnily enough every politician chose to blame bankers.

The evidence is overwhelming that Clinton was the architect of the financial disaster that wiped out trillions of dollars in household wealth. Under his National Homeownership Strategy, Clinton took more than 100 executive actions to pry bank lending windows wide open.

Through executive order, he marshaled 10 federal agencies under a little-known task force to enforce new "flexible" mortgage underwriting guidelines to boost low-income and minority homeownership.

For the first time, banks were ordered to qualify low-income borrowers with spotty credit. The 1994 policy planted the seeds of the mortgage crisis, as lenders eventually abandoned prudent underwriting altogether.

The next year, Clinton set quotas for lending in high-risk neighborhoods under an overhauled Community Reinvestment Act, while adding several hundred bank examiners to enforce the tougher CRA rules. Banks that came up short had expansion plans put on hold — a slow death sentence in an era of bank mergers and acquisitions.

For the first time, CRA ratings were made public, egging on ACORN and other radical inner-city groups, which used the reports to extort banks for $6 trillion in subprime loan set-asides by 2008.

So if there's another crash tied to auto loan defaults and an out-of-control budget deficit, will y'all blame Trump?

Something tells me you'll blame Democrats and "quill-scribblers who are paid enormous amounts of money and granted generous pensions".

Where-ever the evidence points, Bob, then the answer is 'yes'!

Interesting Ups, you bring up ACORN - you realize that as an acronym right?

But did you know ...

"NWRO dispatched Rathke to Arkansas in 1970 to set up the first ACORN office. (The acronym ACORN originally stood for Arkansas Community Organizations for Reform Now.) ... About a year in, he befriended an Arkansas staffer of George McGovern’s (D) quixotic presidential campaign, and a friendship with Bill Clinton began. In less than a decade ACORN had spread to several other states so the word Arkansas in the group’s name was changed to Association."?

Another study that might be taken into account:

"Rathke worked with a federally funded antipoverty program in North Adams, Massachusetts. The program informed welfare recipients of their rights. When Rathke read Frances Fox Piven and Richard Cloward’s 1950 article in the Nation, "A Strategy to End Poverty," he was inspired to join the Welfare Rights movement, led by George Wiley. The Piven and Cloward strategy was to recruit people who were eligible for welfare, who would demand their rights and flood the welfare offices until their demands were met. According to the theory, this would precipitate a "profound financial crisis" because cities and states lacked the funds and the staff to meet the demands. This strategy, they said, would force governors and mayors to lobby Congress for a guaranteed adequate annual income for the poor."

Not forgetting those pesky Somalis y'all are experiencing "Troubles" with afresh - we have some of the same Troubles here as well. Perhaps coincidentally our Somalis really took off at another of those *coincidence thingies* moments:

Fast forward to today:

So really David (Y'all) there is truth in the observation that 'the only thing separating our pols from y'alls is a common language'.

Re imported gangs and knife crime:

A classic example of entropy uses a container of ink and a container of water. This system is maximally ordered: all the ink is over here, and all the water is over there.

Now pour some ink into the water. At first the system remains highly ordered: a blob of blue surrounded by clear water. But this is a statistically unlikely configuration of the new system, and if you come back later, all the water is blue.

The process is not reversible.

Well Duffers I have to disagree with you re the top Rozzers.

You would not put a businessman in charge of the Army to decide its battle strategy and tactics any more than I would have wanted some civilian businessman deciding where and how to deploy HM's Aussie ships.

What is needed is come hard nosed rozzers who have come up the hard way and don't give a toss about the pollies and political correctness but care about the active enforcement of those laws which protect the civilian population and do so without fear or favour.

They still exist but I fear it will take a real crisis for any of that ilk to be placed in the top jobs.

Not much different down here.

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