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Wednesday, 24 April 2019

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We still owe you one for the Battle of Bladensburg and torching DC. Enjoy.

Good description.

But will anyone notice any difference?

SoD

He's coming to ask the Queen why she let GCHQ spy on him and pass the results to NSA.

Yeah, Bob, we squeezed that little duo in between defeating Napoleon twice.

There was a time where it seemed so effortless.

But Ozymandias will have his time, I guess, and only fair that those once at his feet should topple the statue.

SoD

Did you know Shelley's Ozymandias had a competitor?

Percy Shelly and his mate Horace Smith wrote poems on the same subject as a competition.

Horace Smith's "Ozymandias" ...

In Egypt's sandy silence, all alone,
Stands a gigantic Leg, which far off throws
The only shadow that the Desert knows:—
"I am great OZYMANDIAS," saith the stone,
"The King of Kings; this mighty City shows
"The wonders of my hand."— The City's gone,—
Naught but the Leg remaining to disclose
The site of this forgotten Babylon.

We wonder,—and some Hunter may express
Wonder like ours, when thro' the wilderness
Where London stood, holding the Wolf in chace,
He meets some fragment huge, and stops to guess
What powerful but unrecorded race
Once dwelt in that annihilated place.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozymandias

SoD

Poetry is nice, but Hollywood knows how to really get a point across:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gb4eZ7Z5yk8

True enough.

You're up next.

Getting a bit of deja vu on this topic and inclusions, but I guess that's sort of the point?

SoD

Maybe that clip has been linked here before, SoD, but age has damaged my memory and I'm not sure. You're next, but don't worry, it's not so bad.

I don't know, a Trump visit to a long time ally will give everybody a chance to find out who stands where. When the freak show opens in London and elsewhere, British citizens can take a long look at the trash and rabble too much of National leadership has been and is kow towing too.

BOE's question will be a good start.

Whitewall, the loonies love to hit the streets although when nations like Russia and China are invited there is a sense of quiet. I do not recall the USA having Gulags or a Cultural Revolution.

Glesga, same over here though the left is engaged in a "culture revolution" of its own. History is not their strong suit.

"BOE's question will be a good start"

I thought that one was shown to be a full-on fakie? Like denials from all concerned and zero evidence?

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/mar/20/nsa-british-intelligence-trump-wiretap-spy
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39300191

Unlike, of course, the US spying on its Western "partner" Germany.

In all seriousness, if Trump repeats those claims should Blighty let him into the country?

SoD

It is surreal really ...

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/apr/24/donald-trump-repeats-unproven-claims-of-gchq-spying

Blighty prostrates itself before a foreign leader and welcomes him like a friend, while he accuses it of spying on him with no evidence whatsoever.

What is Blighty expecting from this boorish douchebag that's worth this level of humiliation?

How low can Blighty fall? How weak can she be?

Even Ozymandias' head didn't end up face down in the sand.

SoD

Well, SoD, I don't know how much you know about the GCHQ/NSA relationship, but I have no trouble in imagining NSA getting round the restrictions on them inside the USA, by tasking their comrades in Cheltenham.

Well BOE, what's say you an' me enlighten him somewhat?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04CQvULROBo

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2019/04/vindicated-at-last-thank-you-general-barr-by-larry-c-johnson.html

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/13/british-spies-first-to-spot-trump-team-links-russia

Too let's remember back at the time there was pressure on Trump to "de-classify the FISA 702 on Page" - Pressure not to do so was widely publicized as coming from "Allied intelligence sources."

JK,

Are you also concerned with Trump and others in the White House using unsecured email and phones? How about the Chinese spy known as Yujing Zhang who made it through two security checkpoints at Mar-a-Lago (the Winter White House) with malware and some spying hardware? Then there's the talk between Trump and Russian "diplomats" in the Oval Office on May 10, 2017 in which he revealed sensitive Israeli intel, and on and on. If any Democratic official were 1/1000th as security clueless as Trump, the entire right wing would be sharpening pitchforks and soaking torches in kerosine.

Yes Bob, I "have concerns."

Where the Chinese are concerned those are long held and as California Senator Dianne Feinstein exhibited such "security cluelessness" sufficient to have on the payroll for 20 years ...

https://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2018/08/01/details-chinese-spy-dianne-feinstein-san-francisco/

Which Bob even you ought see as rich seeing as how she sits on

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/

You're aware Bob are you not the Israelis have and long have had, much much closer ties to Russian Intel services than have got much public attention here in the US? How do you think the Israelis "seem to just know" when the Iranians are to ship 'munitions' into Syria so as to have their ISAF tanked up and loaded so as to destroy the shipment while its still in the aircraft waiting unloading? (You reckon it's possible the Israelis were "testing the President" by giving him "sensitive intel" so to see whether he could transmit it accurately?)

At any rate Trump's revealing hasn't seemed to take much shine off his and Bibi's ability to get along. Hell I hear Bibi's got plans to name a town on the Golan in honor of our President so I guess he at least doesn't give shit to the extent Trump's critics say he does.

(Might want to check your dictionary for what's the stuff to soak torches in - wouldn't want you experiencing any mishaps.)

"It is understood that GCHQ was at no point carrying out a targeted operation against Trump or his team or proactively seeking information. The alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of Russian intelligence assets. Over several months, different agencies targeting the same people began to see a pattern of connections that were flagged to intelligence officials in the US."

"The White House press secretary, Sean Spicer, claimed the “British spying agency” GCHQ had carried out the bugging. Spicer cited an unsubstantiated report on Fox News. Fox later distanced itself from the report."

- quotes from Guardian article linked to by JK above

So without deliberately targeting your pols, through routine intelligence work only, your allies discovered that some of your pols were up to something with your and our enemies. And your faithful allies reported it to you, the US, through official channels.

These pols of yours, caught with their trousers down by the routine vigilance of friends of the US, then tried to claim that Blighty and the Europeans were deliberately targeting them, so as to distract from the stench of their own traitorous behaviour - conniving with the enemies of the US, Blighty, and Europe.

So utterly without evidence was the pols' case that the media source had to distance itself from it.

No-one worth an ounce of reliability has provided a shred of evidence of deliberate targeting of the Trump team.

And yet your boorish douche-bag of a president says this ...

“Former CIA analyst Larry Johnson accuses United Kingdom Intelligence of helping Obama Administration Spy on the 2016 Trump Presidential Campaign. WOW! It is now just a question of time before the truth comes out, and when it does, it will be a beauty!”

... 1 day after the invitation of a state visit to Blighty from Her Maj.

With friends like this? ...

You've put party before country, JK. Commonplace here in Blighty these days too, but all round it needs to stop. Soon.

SoD


Bob, SoD,

You're both wrong if you think, even for a moment I "put party before country." Manifestly wrong.

The oath I took has the refrain, "Support & defend the Constitution against enemies foreign and domestic."

Too I fully recognize countries have their own national interests. There can be overlaps of course but there's hardly ever complete alignment. Suez comes brightly to mind from fairly recent history ... and now I reflect further there was a little bit of fuss over America's founding interest being somewhat different from Britain's.

Here Bob for you, a primer on national interest viz Israel/Russia:

https://worldview.stratfor.com/article/putins-visit-and-israeli-russian-relations

For you SoD

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zimmermann_Telegram

Larry Johnson appears to be the US intel / pol industry's brain-dead donkey-dropper ...

https://www.thedailybeast.com/larry-c-johnson-trumps-source-on-fake-story-that-britain-spied-on-campaign-says-hes-being-framed-him-as-conspiracy-nut

You can rely on him to regurgitate just about anything he's told.

So he's told Michelle Obama used the word "whitey" and out of his gob it goes, landing him in the doo-doo when it turns out to be an utter falsie. Probably a Democrat type of false-flag op.

And then Trump's team fall for it again. You can imagine the water-cooler conversation amongst some Dem agents buried in the bowels of the Deep State:

Jed: "I wonder if that brain-dead donkey-dropper Johnson is up for another pony ride?"
Ted: "Could be. Whadda we tell 'im?"
Ed: "Hey, this is cool: Let's tell him Obama got the Brits to plant a wire in Trump Tower to bug the prez".
Jed, after mopping up spilt water and having had his sides sown back together again, "Yeah that is like, sooo cool, it'll never fly but let's give it a try!".

And so the brain-dead donkey-dropper Johnson and the dumbest president in history made the prez and his entoruage look, err, dumb, again.

And you're not getting off the hook Bob me old china, coz a few years back Obama actually did bug the Jerries head-honcho-etta, proper wire tap in the phone jobbie, and got caught.

Hey over there: Are you Dad's Army and the Bolsheviks in disguise?

Excuse us, but we do the ludicrous 20th century stereo-types for the world's entertainment over here, if you don't mind.

SoD

JK, my point stands. I know better than to try to argue with a Trumpateer, because you will always have a dodge or excuse for Trump.

SoD, our international spies have a deal with GCHQ:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Five_Eyes

The Jerries aren't inside the tent. It might also interest you to know that no one outside the Cult of Trump and the politically disengaged believe anything that comes out of Trump's pie hole. Fact checkers have him closing in on 10,000 misleading statements or outright lies to the public. He is also waging political war on US law enforcement and covering for the Rooskies because if he admits they attacked our election it will make him seem even less legitimate. Calling him a boorish douchebag is too kind.

"Probably a Democrat type of false-flag op."

Makes sense SoD if only because of the timing and the context, you'll recall in the beginnings of the 2008 campaign HillBilly was a'gin Obama? And, it being rumored (joke?) she and her operatives weren't above employing 'oppo research'?

Now I realize the name Sidney Blumenthal isn't, probably, as familiar to y'all Brits as it is to us Yanks but where you may've forgot, where I expect you may have heard mention of ol' Sidney was his being involved (independent/private Intel company) with your "Call Me Dave" Cameron in the runup to all us Allies overthrowing Muammar Gaddafi and gracing Libya with the wonderments of stable democracy?

Anyway, Mr. Blumenthal and Mr. Johnson at one time were, on friendly terms both having been acquainted through the CIA's policy of providing the President (at the time President Bill Clinton) with a daily brief. Both Sidney and Mr. Johnson often sitting in for the Oval Office brief's as, Sidney was a trusted adviser to Bill and Mr. Johnson sometimes stood the part for Mr. Woolsey. *Note: The current media *experts* would appear to've forgot that, a feller doesn't get to a position of standing in for a CIA Director unless he'd proved some rodeo experience.

Bob,

https://20committee.com/2013/10/27/nsa-germany-and-handygate-a-reality-check/

JK,

Merkel pretending to be surprised about the spying game is humorous, and anyone who's read newspapers the last few decades knows it.

Yes well Bob that too but what I was actually wishing you'd realize was to your point to SoD of the Germans not being "in the tent."

Now it is true they weren't so much as "sharing raw intel" was concerned until 'the Caliphate' came under so much stress that its foreign fighters began to return to their "home" countries. And Erdogan's adoption/threat of a quasi Right of Return. All those 'complications of Syria' combined to place Germany firmly "inside the tent."

JK,

I take your point. With events in Syria, and when terrorists bomb churches in Sri Lanka to "get even" for a mosque shooting in New Zealand, doors open. Still, Germany isn't in a formal arrangement with any of the Five Eyes as far as I know.

"As far as I know."

Roger.

Bob?

I heartily recommend this reading assignment:

https://havechanged.blogspot.com/2019/04/mueller-report-mischaracterizes.html

Provided of course, you include in your reading not just the post above but also, the embedded post-links mentioned.

SoD?

https://www.nationalreview.com/podcasts/the-mccarthy-report/episode-44-apres-la-lettre/

I would humbly request you dial that podcast up to the 32:50 mark and listen closely to the final closely to the following six minutes and fifty seconds (at least) ending, for the purposes of my request at the 39:00 minute mark.

Now I'm very nearly convinced D&N's gadfly Bob is almost certainly gonna come on here with the purpose of impugning the fellow Andrew McCarthy's reputation in order to "sow doubt" in your mind as to the fellow's bona fides.

To forestall that likelihood here's a bit of introductory bio:

https://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/20/nyregion/20prosecutor.html

As you can see, that links to such a reputable source as the New York Times indisputably is, I would hope you'd conclude Mr. McCarthy holds indeed no small benefit of expertise.

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