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Monday, 24 February 2020

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You've hit a home run!

You do know that Trump was a Democrat most of his life, don't you? And that he ran on infrastructure spending and delivering "great" healthcare and trade barriers?

The first one is brilliant! I may steal it.
And your point Bob? I do believe Trump's supporters know all about that.

missred,

There is no single point and I don't care about spoiling David's fun. You might want to consider, though, that the Republicans are falling in line behind a rich former Democrat and Independent of the same type they hate in Bloomberg. On the other team, the candidate doing best in the primaries so far is Sanders, who is not a Democrat. Skewering the "other" party doesn't really mean what it used to. It just strikes me as a little weird.

Trump was not a "Democrat for most of his life." He re-registered as a Dem in protest of the Iraq war. He's a businessman, and no matter what Marx tells you, business does not like war, because war is bad for business. New England business people even opposed the War of 1812, thinking that they could come to some accommodation with the British Navy over impressed seamen. They referred to the conflict as "Mr. Madison's war."

Other than as a subject of history, I don't care what Marx had to say about anything. He's over 100 years out of date. And in case you didn't get the point, let me put it plainly: Party registration doesn't mean a thing.

Michael F Adams,

You're right and I just remembered wrong. Trump has actually been all over the map:

"Trump registered as a Republican in Manhattan in 1987 and since that time has changed his party affiliation five times. In 1999, Trump changed his party affiliation to the Independence Party of New York. In August 2001, Trump changed his party affiliation to Democratic. In September 2009, Trump changed his party affiliation back to the Republican Party. In December 2011, Trump changed to "no party affiliation" (independent). In April 2012, Trump again returned to the Republican Party."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_positions_of_Donald_Trump

I registered as a Democrat when I became eligible to vote. I had a road to Damascus moment 30 years ago but decided not to change my party affiliation. I have a lot of fun answering their polls, surveys, and voting in their primary. So Bob, yes, party affiliation means nothing. So again, what is your point in mentioning Trumps affiliations? It doesn't mean anything.

missred,

A few days ago someone here, I think Whitewall, mentioned that Bloomberg was an authoritarian with convenient or no party or philosophical loyalties. Why is it that's not a bad thing for Trump?

I'm checking for an answer, and since you haven't replied yet I'll add that I've never registered with a party and have voted for people affiliated with three, including Republican.

Maybe it's an American thing to have a fixed affiliation to a single party? I was brought up in the UK by a fairly politically engaged family and I know that their vote was not fixed. They were floating voters who decided how to cast their vote according to the issues of the day that were most important to them. Also, my mother and father often voted for different parties thus cancelling each other out. Obviously, there exists a hardcore support for whichever party amongst certain groups but the people who matter at election time are those who will decide on issues rather than blind allegiance. They're the people who decide who wins.

Most people never join a party officially. People are very fickle. My greatest friend at university, a brilliant person who wanted better for herself joined the "Young Conservatives" because that was her mindset at the time. Of course, she never fitted in and soon reverted to supporting her natural party. Today, she is a fairly prominent Labour representative at a local level, totally hemmed in by her youthful dalliance with Conservatism. If she rises too high she'll be outed.

Mary,

Fixed affiliation is not a thing here. There are more independents than either Democrats or Republicans.

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