China must be treated as a hostile state

And no, I am not charging China for starting this epidemic because I simply do not have sufficient evidence to be absolutely sure.  However, that is mostly due to the Chinese government which has refused to open its doors to international inspection.  So, in the meantime, I needs must depend on indicative evidence that strongly suggests China is, so to speak, up to its armpits in 'bio-chem' activities - and no, again - I do not believe they are desperately searching for a cure for cancer!

What I do suspect is that for years China has been searching for a formula for a truly ferocious 'bio-chem' product that in the event of war will be devastating to its enemies.  They are not alone in this endeavour.  All world powers, and several second, or even third, rate nations are doing the same. Given that the outbreak began in Wuhai where facilities for such activities exist, it is more than reasonable to point an accusing finger at China.

The really important decision, once we have dealt with the immediate threat, is what do we do in response?  It seems to me that it is essential that the leading democratic nations must combine in an economic programme that will exert serious pressure on China over an extended time.  The Chinese government needs to feel the pain for what it has done - or allowed to be done.  After the Salisbury murder executed by Russian agents, Britain slapped down some fierce reprisals which damaged the Russian oligarchy.  They are still feeling the restraints.  Similar, but even fiercer actions should be taken against China and the very first action by HMG should be to cancel the ridiculous 5G computer deal.

Boris and his cohorts need to wake up and realise that to the Chinese government - we are an enemy!

 

 

 

Comments

[Whitewall]

Huawei deal must go.

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The debate over immigration is over: restriction wins.

The debate over borders is over: they are needed.

The debate over globalization is over: the era of autarky begins.

The debate over Europe is over: it is a geographic expression, not a polity.

The debate over global warming is over: it is irrelevant.

The debate over international institutions is over: only nations matter.

The debate over the People’s Republic of China is over: it is a menace to the community of nations, not a member in good standing.

Crisis is clarity.

This has been an era of clarification

[Loz]

Horseshit.

Conspiracy theories and fascist mantras.

SoD

[Mary]

Thank you, SoD, for your common sense.

[David Duff]

Spot on, 'Whiters'!

[Loz]

What is frightening is the animus that some friends of mine - well educated and worldly, in fact, the more well educated and worldly the more so, the "ordinaries" less so - have exhibited towards Chinese people in conversations with me recently.

Not the mere jokey memes and send-ups about bats for dinner or criticisms of the Communist party of China, but deep seated hatred of a race of people backed with incitement and intent.

The thirst for C19 blame is ripe for manipulation and displacement.

Conjoined with conspiracy theories, fake news, and ultra-nationalism, it isn't difficult to foretell a trajectory on a collision course with history.

SoD

[Loz]

The Gaffer, Whiters, and Capt Mainwaring's model state lives! Indefinite rule by decree, the country-bumpkin's Nirvana has arrived!...

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.cnn.com/cnn/2020/04/03/opinions/hungary-autocrat-covid-19-power-grab-bociurkiw/index.html

The very ultra-nationalist state they crave - in the heart of the organisation they said was a threat to sovereignty and nationalism!

You couldn't make it up.

SoD

[Bob]

The Chinese government has no credibility and hasn't for longer than any of our lives. Nothing new there then. However, we no longer have the luxury of ignoring reality in favor of ideology or bigotry. Ignorance of science and the best current knowledge is going to prove deadly.

The US government at the highest levels hasn't exactly covered itself in glory where honesty or a clear meaning is concerned. Do you propose economic sanctions against America too? How about against yourselves? That herd immunity experiment wasn't exactly brilliant.

[Loz]

Gaffer, Porton Down is only a few miles from Salisbury. So that means Blighty's biochem research and warfare establishment were responsible for Novichok landing up in Salisbury, does it? And the Brit spooks and government's subsequent denials were all lies and coverups, like the Iraq "dodgy dossier", were they?

SoD

[Bob]

Come to think of it, ignorance of how government works and the idea "American should be run like a business" is getting stale too:

"Trump was apparently upset to learn that 3M has been exporting many of its masks to other countries instead of offering them to officials in U.S. states, something the president had complete control over if he had acted quicker."

https://gizmodo.com/trump-shocked-to-learn-3m-selling-masks-overseas-after-1842658120

[Whitewall]

I think if America could be polled right now, our 30 day experiment with communism would go down in flames. Lack of toilet paper, empty shelves and waiting lines to get inside will do that to you. Britain may be in the same mind set as well.

[Whitewall]

South Korea has been held up as the model but trouble is brewing: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/south-koreas-return-to-normal-interrupted-by-uptick-in-coronavirus-cases/ar-BB12bDaj?li=BBnb7Kz

I know approved opinion says this Commie Virus originated in a "wet market", but I'm finding it hard to rule out a bio weapon that was "accidently" leaked from a lab.

[David Duff]

SoD, before you lather me with your broad-brush allegations, I have, many a time and oft', expressed my admiration and pity for the Chinese people, perhaps the most put upon people anywhere. My detestation is confined entirely their rulers, not just today's but throughout their history.

[JK]

Bob if you'll curb your enthusiasm for the "Blame Trump" combined with the "Trump is the higher level Government" and just do a level three [of five levels] scan of Youtube I'm confident you'll be able to locate evidence that failures at all levels (and for at least the past twenty years) were common.

Heck Bob, just do a cursory, in chronological order, review of that eminent 'scientist' Dr. Fauci's statements since December 3rd - and yes there's a reason I'm choosing December 3rd 2019 [*Hint : C-Span] as the jump off point.

While you're at it I'll put together, if needed just say so, a mashup of the legacy media saying the same damn things they're now excoriating Trump for saying. Example : "Wuhan Flu" was common in the rarefied studios of CNN and MSNBC right up until the point Candidate Biden described Trump's saying the same damn thing as "xenophobic" at which point his choir jumped up with such shouts of "Amen!" such that the more enthralled of the pentecostaled went green (original word sense meaning, green with envy not green to the point of industrial scaled windmill manufacture).

[Loz]

Bob, reminds me of the procurement teams in the NHS who perpetually deflect their own incompetence by claiming they're being ripped off by the market sector suppliers. Our private sector health care providers don't whinge about the market suppliers, and if the procurement teams screw up they get sacked and more competent people are hired.

If the US state procurement had half an ounce of get-up-and-go they'd be onto the global markets buying whatever they need from wherever they can. But no doubt they, like Blighty's NHS, are tinged with country-bumpkinism and only try and buy from the US.

Only the state could be so negligent and then pass the buck so brazenly for its own failings.

On the other hand, the Don has obviously shoved a rocket up some of their arses because some of them are buying and outbidding competitors very successfully on the global markets, so much so the rest of world is accusing the US of "modern piracy" ...

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-52161995

Like WWI and WWII the US will be late for this one too - and then rock up with overwhelming firepower and advantage.

Whiters, we've had socialism (not communism) officially since 1948 (and actually since 1939), but thankfully not in the food distribution and supermarkets industry. Consequently Blighty's market model for food distribution and supermarkets has risen to the challenge and filled the shelves rapidly after the initial panic buying.

Meanwhile the socialist state sector in health has singularly failed to rise to the challenge, in fact has humiliated Blighty at every possible chance.

SoD

[Bob]

If any Democratic president had displayed 1/10000th the incompetence and criminality of Trump you'd all have been rolling on the floor frothing at the mouths. Ignore Fox and other right wing propaganda "news" and conspiracy outlets and look for a basic government and civics book to make good time of staying at home.

[Backofanenvelope]

No matter what the imperfections of the West, the Chinese BatFlu outbreak started in China. They own it and a load of grovelling by all Chinese might be a good idea.

[Bob]

SoD,

You've somewhat missed the point. Trump fired the people who would have been managing adequate supplies of medical equipment and planning policy for a pandemic. He let corporations bully him into not ordering emergency production. Governors are buying up equipment wherever they can find it at inflated prices because much of our stockpile was given to other countries, is inoperable because it wasn't maintained, and so on.

I've been trying to avoid the "country bumpkin" type language you use, but it's getting harder all the time. We have an anti-goverment lobbyist named Grover Norquist who famously said he wanted to shrink government to a size that it could be drown in a bathtub. The easily fooled have never figured out that would disadvantage them, even with the ongoing current demonstration.

[Timbo]

Bob, why don’t you just come out with it and say you dislike President Trump and disapprove of everything he has done and will do in the future.

Just to save time.

[Whitewall]

Singapore was also an early model of efficiency but things may not be so good like South Korea:
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2020/04/what-about-sinagpore.php

[Glesga]

Timbo, President Trump is far too soft and you have to be honest he is a democrat dressed in Republican clothing.

[Bob]

Timbo,

Why should I care about Trump personally one way or another? I don't disapprove of everything he's done, just most of it. There's no doubt he's the worst president of my lifetime or that he's damaged my country.

[Glesga]

Bob, Trump did not send troops to Vietnam. The great JFK did!

[Bob]

Glesga,

The first troops sent to Vietnam were sent by President Eisenhower:

"November 1, 1955 — President Eisenhower deploys the Military Assistance Advisory Group to train the Army of the Republic of Vietnam. This marks the official beginning of American involvement in the war as recognized by the Vietnam Veterans Memorial."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Role_of_the_United_States_in_the_Vietnam_War

Presidents after him sent additional troops until 1973 when the war ended during Nixon's administration. Nixon had also sent troops.

[JK]

Jimmy Glesga,

To be sure Eisenhower did send the first "troops" into Viet Nam but the first American killed in the country was in 1947, with two more after that that year.

"Clandestine" American involvement went on right up to Eisenhower opting for "a clearer mission." As if wishing so ever made it so.

[JK]

https://turcopolier.typepad.com/sic_semper_tyrannis/2020/04/3-criminal-cases-harvard-professor-charles-lieber-for-lies-to-dod-and-nih-plus-two-chinese.html

Werry kuweeus ...